Why is incest unacceptable while homosexual rights are fought for?

[Shams al-Ma'rifa]

Question in the thread title, discuss...

[Phier]

[Shams al-Ma'rifa]

That's a very useful asset to have, I can use it as a cup holder or something.

[Arch-hereticK]

DUUUUUUUHHHHH.

What a silly question. This is going to be such a troll fest.

[Atatürk]

What a silly question. This is going to be such a troll fest.

I think that the question is perfectly legitimate and it raises a valid point. Incest is no more abnormal than homosexuality.

[Spiff]

Criminalising incest is pretty hypocritical, if two consenting adults wish to pursue a sexual relationship then its pretty much none of my business.

As for genetic defects, this is a reality that cant really be argued against - but I dont see a reason to treat it as if it was a genetic disease with the potential to be passed on. As far as I know it isnt illegal for anyone else with a genetic condition to reproduce.

Besides, reproduction is not necessarily the goal of an incestuous relationship.

[swabian]

As far as I know it isnt illegal for anyone else with a genetic condition to reproduce.

No (i think), but i find that at least potentially irresponsible (in case the parents know about their condition), depending on the severity of the genetical defect. One could just as well adopt a child.

[Spiff]

No (i think), but i find that at least potentially irresponsible (in case the parents know about their condition), depending on the severity of the genetical defect. One could just as well adopt a child.

Of course, Im not advocating that people should take such risks, Im just saying I dont think we should jail two consenting adults for having sex.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

In this day of age, there isn't really that much wrong with a incestous relationship.
There are condoms and birthcontrol pills so if you want to have sex with your mother/sister/brother/father/cousin whatever, go ahead.
The emotional problem that might lead to however is your problem.
Kids however is the main problem in such a relationship.
A incestous relationship should not produce any kids.
The first generation child might be fine but it will still carry genes that are no good and increases the chance of the next generation to have problems.
Case in point, look at the Hapsburg family.
They inbred themself to death pretty much.
Just look at Charles II of Spain

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[Katsumoto]

Because incest is what killed the dinosaurs, silly.

[Shams al-Ma'rifa]

Because incest is what killed the dinosaurs, silly.

If incest is a metaphor for meteor then yes.

Homosexuality doesn't cause freak-babies, as Phier has demonstrated.

Well how about retards then, are you saying that homosexuals are allowed to have sex but retards can't?

Hey, the Egyptian Pharaohs married their sisters, and they had some pretty good rulers.

Case in point.

[Monarchist]

Well how about retards then, are you saying that homosexuals are allowed to have sex but retards can't?

I think gay sex is immoral, actually. I also think retards shouldn't have children.

Case in point.

Well then...

[Mr. Pink]

I also think retards shouldn't have children.

OOOFT!

That's well worthy of some rep

[Monarchist]

Homosexuality doesn't cause freak-babies, as Phier has demonstrated.

Of course, if incest doesn't actually culminate in offspring, I don't really care.

[Fiyenyaa]

Homosexuality doesn't cause freak-babies, as Phier has demonstrated.

Of course, if incest doesn't actually culminate in offspring, I don't really care.

Weirdly enough, I actually agree with Monarchist on this one. Although I of course (being the commie pinko liberal that I am) do not share his aversion to overt homosexuality.

I don't understand which is the thing that evolution taught us and demanded and which is the natural thing opposed to it that doesn't have consequences for society ?!

Because there are disadvantages for incestual behavior when it results in reproduction, whilst homosexuality as a trait has been around for all of recorded human history (and is apparent in all mammals and various other animals) and is therefore at the very worst neutral (and probably beneficial in some way since it's so prevelant).

[Prodigal]

Hey, the Egyptian Pharaohs married their sisters, and they had some pretty good rulers.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Picture of deformed hand

Nice Rebuttal

Because incest is what killed the dinosaurs, silly.

Incest is killing some of the lions in African protected parks.

That's a very useful asset to have, I can use it as a cup holder or something.

Try cleaning a glass with it.

Hey, the Egyptian Pharaohs married their sisters, and they had some pretty good rulers.

They may have intermarried but only to cement their rule. They didn't necessarily produce offspring together. In fact they were more like co rulers than lovers. If I am wrong then I apologize but that is what I read.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

It's because of that wonderful, non-reasonable thing called morality. Since reproduction is often shunned upon, but merely hedonistic sex is not, then reproduction that could possibly result in deformed off-spring is often shunned even more upon.

And there's always that Christian element in Western morality too... Which is retained as long as "my" right to be a prick, take drugs and put my penis into holes does not result directly in evil into others, as long as I'm not being an activist with a couple of people on the street. It's complicated.

Suffice to say, that I believe if zoophilia and incest had supporters demonstrating, in twenty years or so it would become "normal" to tolerate them, and people who would shun them would be quite soon labeled as bigots or mentally diseased. The tyranny of tolerance and niceties, they call it.

[Scorch]

It's because of that wonderful, non-reasonable thing called morality. Since reproduction is often shunned upon, but merely hedonistic sex is not, then reproduction that could possibly result in deformed off-spring is often shunned even more upon.

And there's always that Christian element in Western morality too... Which is retained as long as "my" right to be a prick, take drugs and put my penis into holes does not result directly in evil into others, as long as I'm not being an activist with a couple of people on the street. It's complicated.

Suffice to say, that I believe if zoophilia and incest had supporters demonstrating, in twenty years or so it would become "normal" to tolerate them, and people who would shun them would be quite soon labeled as bigots or mentally diseased. The tyranny of tolerance and niceties, they call it.

This is an absurd argument. The results of incestuous relationships are evolutionarily harmful variations that harm the ability of a species or single being to function both in an biological and social level. Thus, societies that shun such relationships are, in essence, protecting their own ability to survive in competition with others; it's natural selection at play at its finest.

People who argue about "evolution teaches us", well . It's almost like "God told us".

Fact is, I or anyone else with a creative mind can invent an evolutionary psychology excuse AGAINST homosexuality: like, "it's probably a genetic defect since we are made for reproduction", or, "it is prejudicial for the competitiveness and spread of a certain species inside a habitat because it renders otherwise potential child bearing beings infertile", etc... and so on. Yet noone tries to argue so because they find it morally repulsive, and in the end, evolutionary psychology is merely the excuse for rendering our own causal morality as propelling a biological system. No wonder that Darwin and the Manchester School were sooo close.

This just shows, quite frankly, that you have little to no idea how evolution, natural selection or Darwinism functions and what assertions they make.

[DekuTrash]

If close family members wanna bang go ahead, just be sure not to have children.

As for cousins, by the time two individuals are say.....3rd cousins whats the standing on that?

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