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    Egypt's top Muslim cleric dies of heart attack


    AP – FILE - in this Monday, July 28, 2008 file photo Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, grand sheik of Al-Azhar, …



    By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer Salah Nasrawi, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 58 mins ago
    CAIRO – Top Egyptian cleric Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, whose moderate views angered conservative Muslims, died of a heart attack Wednesday during a visit to Saudi Arabia, the state-owned news agency reported. He was 81.
    Tantawi was the grand sheik of Cairo's Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's pre-eminent theological institute. Sunni Islam is the faith's mainstream sect, to which the majority of Egypt's 80 million people adhere.
    Tantawi was a moderate scholar and supporter of women's rights whose views made him a frequent target of criticism from fundamentalist Muslims.
    Most recently, he infuriated conservatives late last year by barring women from wearing the full face veil known as the niqab at Al-Azhar University. That step was part of the intensifying struggle between the moderate Islam championed by the state and a populace that is turning to a stricter version of the faith.
    The Middle East News Agency said Tantawi died Wednesday in Saudi Arabia, where he attended a religious ceremony. Saudi officials said he will be buried in the Baqee cemetery in the Saudi holy city of Medina near the shrine of Prophet Muhammad.
    The sheik, who was appointed in March 1996 by President Hosni Mubarak, was a revered figure among many of the world's 1.4 billion Muslims. His rulings carried great influence, particularly in Egypt, although they did not carry the force of law.
    His teachings and rulings won him wide acclaim among moderates in the Muslim world, but they were also controversial. Fundamentalist Muslims considered them against Islamic teachings.
    He angered radicals by supporting organ transplants, denouncing female circumcision and by ruling that women should be appointed to top government judicial and administrative positions. He also supported interest in commercial banking, unlike many Islamic scholars who condemn the paying of interest on bank deposits.
    In January 2000, amid growing public debate on legislation easing divorce procedures for women in Egypt, Tantawi ruled that there is nothing in Islam that bars women from getting a divorce easily.
    He told Egypt's male-dominated parliament: "Men are not made of gold and women from silver."
    Tantawi, whose moderate views have always rankled hard-liners, has been blasted by critics several times. His meeting in 1997 with Israel's Chief Rabbi Yisrael Lau led to charges he wanted to normalize ties with Israel, something many Egyptians oppose despite their government's 1979 peace treaty with Israel.
    In 2008 he came under pressure to resign from politicians and newspapers for shaking the hand of Israeli President Shimon Peres at U.N. headquarters during an interfaith conference.
    Tantawi has supported the peace process with Israel, although he also has condoned attacks by Islamic radicals against the Jewish state. In March 1997, he called for a holy war to take back Jerusalem.
    The sheik also promoted Christian-Muslim dialogue.
    He had a controversial side, in particular his bad temper in dealing with his critics. He sometimes yelled at reporters for questioning him about his controversial ideas.
    At one religious gathering, he attacked what he called the "mob mentality" among Arabs and Muslims.
    Before being named to the post at Al-Azhar, Tantawi had served as Egypt's official mufti. He is considered close to the government in his religious opinions.
    Tantawi received a doctorate in interpretation of the Quran and Sunna, Prophet Muhammad's teachings, from Al-Azhar University in 1966. He was a religious teacher until 1986, when he was appointed mufti.
    He is survived by two sons and a daughter.

    I been following the Sheik's Tantawi's work for a while now and he always seemed to be a voice of reason and moderation. Also when it comes to Quran, Sunnah and Shari'ah law he was the authority and his word or ruling was always the most respected. His death is truly a loss not only for Muslims abut also for all the members of the Monotheistic religion.
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    Death of a scholar is death of the world. It's translation of an Arbic saying. Sadly as much as we need people having true knowledge of Islam as much we are losing them. + rep for the thread.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Death of a scholar is death of the world.
    Agreed, and this scholar was of particular importance. The most prominent scholar in the Muslim world if you will, and he made so many overtures to the other communities for understanding and better cooperation when it comes to a number of issues. Seriously, a great loss for the world and good people everywhere! The question is now, who will replace him?? ...
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    Default Leader of Sunni Islam and opponent of Suicide Bombing died today

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/af...518872958.html

    He spoke many times against terrorism and condemned it.
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    This is a big loss for the ulema and the Islamic community in general. Learned men like him are ever more important as both come under attack from less learned but more vitriolic upstarts.
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    He banned the niqab, good man. May he rest in peace.
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    I saw that too Katsumoto, really thats that a huge decree for someone in the ME. Equivalent of western countries banning burkas. Almost.

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    RIP. May he be suceeded by one who will continue such work.

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    they should bury him in Medina rather than send him back to Egypt.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    they should bury him in Medina rather than send him back to Egypt.
    Unfortunately, the Saudi Empire, which still exists only because of enthusiastic support by the west, would never stand for that. Here's a picture of the plain of rubble that the Saudi Empire deliberately reduced the cemetery at Mecca to:


    Each of those stones is a grave. Before the Wahhabis occuppied the cities (with the cooperation and support of the west), this whole area used to be a huge and beautiful complex of domes and tombs. Now there is no dignity for the dead.

    The only tomb that survived is the Tomb of Muhammad himself, the big green dome in the back. And that was only because Turkey threatened invasion if it was destroyed.

    The plight of such holy sites is yet more evidence that Saudi Arabia is a puritan regime of terror diametrically opposed to civilisation. I am not partisan. I a lax/appostate Muslim, who can see the good and evil of all faiths including his old one. You just don't need to be a partisan to recongise how terrible this country is, and why we should stop all attempts at cooperation with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fishman View Post
    Each of those stones is a grave. Before the Wahhabis occuppied the cities (with the cooperation and support of the west), this whole area used to be a huge and beautiful complex of domes and tombs. Now there is no dignity for the dead.

    The only tomb that survived is the Tomb of Muhammad himself, the big green dome in the back. And that was only because Turkey threatened invasion if it was destroyed.
    That's the thing when you have country ruled by the Wahabi/Salafi clergy and what they doing is enforcing the puritanical form of Islam. Where no people would go to the tombs and graves and make them into shrines. One more reason to have someone like the Sheik Tantawi who would be a voice of reason and moderation.
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    Sad loss

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    The Arabist has a useful summary of the man here.
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    Let us hope that he is an inspiration to many Muslims throughout the world.

    Peace and strength to his family and friends, as well.
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    God rest his soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    God rest his soul.
    Amen.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    Wahabists and Salafists are master tomb raiders, they excel at destroying graves and memorials of other Muslims and the proof exists stretching from the Hijaz to the Hadramaut. No way in hell Sayyid Tantawi's memory should even be open to be insulted in such a way.
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    Whoa, didn't know Wahhabis were adept at desecration .
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Truly lamentable, if there was any muslim that deserved such honor and respect it was him, i dont find much hope for the future clerics though damn shame.

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