Aborting black babies will reduce the crime rate.

[Garbarsardar]

Well unfortunately he belongs to the party that vehemently rejects abortion.Bad luck!

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats blasted former Education Secretary William Bennett on Thursday for saying that aborting "every black baby in this country" would reduce the crime rate, and demanded their Republican counterparts do the same.

"This is precisely the kind of insensitive, hurtful and ignorant rhetoric that Americans have grown tired of," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois.

Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.

"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.

Any comparison between Joseph Mengele and Bennet should be avoided in this thread.

"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, "I don't think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology."

So does the end justify the means? He failed to share his thoughts on this one.What do you think?

[Lord Tomyris]

So would aborting every white baby in the country. His point being?

[Seleucus I Nicator]

So would aborting every white baby in the country. His point being?

Well, there is a difference. Black babies are mostly born in poor families, and lack of money leads to crime. If the black population was overall richer, then the roles would be reversed.

[PacSubCom]

So does the end justify the means? He failed to share his thoughts on this one.What do you think?

What?

[The White Knight]

To all republicans: go back to the ages where you belong! (What about medieval times?)

[Tom Paine]

I like the idea. Because it would: with fewer people, there would be fewer criminals. However doing it to white babies would be more effective, I think, because they are in the majority. The theory is there, but it is a little foolish in America especially to single out African-Americans.

[Dr. X]

Wait...what if some women...gee, how should I put it?...do not feel like aborting their babies (Yes, there are some crazy people in the world)?

[Erik]

I like the idea. Because it would: with fewer people, there would be fewer criminals. However doing it to white babies would be more effective, I think, because they are in the majority. The theory is there, but it is a little foolish in America especially to single out African-Americans.

Most crimes are committed by poor people.
So in stead of aborting black or white babies they should abort babies from poor people and solve poverty.

...or they could simply give poor people the same opportunities in life as rich people, but that's just the left-wing liberal communist hippy in me talking.

[Tom Paine]

Most crimes are committed by poor people.
So in stead of aborting black or white babies they should abort babies from poor people and solve poverty.

...or they could simply give poor people the same opportunities in life as rich people, but that's just the left-wing liberal communist hippy in me talking.

I was kind of taking the mick with that forst sentence, but I think we should abort rich babies and when the rich are wiped out redistribute their wealth :wink:

[danzig]

Well his comments werent exactly the way being quoted, he was asked by a caller about the point that crime is down because abortion is up. He was actually arguing against abortion and used a very poor worded example that he should have known better then to even consider saying. The caller questioned him about findings in a book that the reason crime is down is because the abortion rate in the country is up and he was arguing that it is a morally bankrupt link. Basically you could nuke the Middle East and 'solve' the middle east conflict/problem but it would be morally bankrupt to do, as a large % of crime in America are commited by blacks (a fact that is very touchy obviously) you COULD in fact bring down the crime rate by aborting all black children but it would be morally bankrupt to do so obviously. There was nothing Hitlerlike in his comments he was arguing *against* such comparisons that you can solve a problem by bascially destroying it. Bennett is a smart man (when he isnt gambling) he should have known better that it would be taken as it was.

[nahirean]

I support population reduction of almost every kind. Not race specific though. My reason is that we have a classic case of expoential growth against a finite resource, it's going to hit 0% growth somehow. We have the power to chose how.

[Justinian]

We have the power to chose how.

Would you want to be killed for the good of the human race? Really? In all honesty?

The best solution to overpopulation is obviously mass murder. What else could it be?

[ajimenez3]

Would you want to be killed for the good of the human race? Really? In all honesty?

The best solution to overpopulation is obviously mass murder. What else could it be?

So I guess that would make Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler a hero to some of the people advocating population control on here.

Whatch what you ask for you just might get it.


Semper Fi
Arturo

[nahirean]

So I guess that would make Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler a hero to some of the people advocating population control on here.

Whatch what you ask for you just might get it.


Semper Fi
Arturo

Yeah buddy, Hitler is my hero. It's people like you that toss out silly one-liners like that who do the world a disservice. You obviously don't understand the dire situation we as humans are in. We *CANT GROW FOREVER.* I know some Christians out there would have you beleive that it's a good thing to have 17 children, but really - it's not.

[ajimenez3]

Yeah buddy, Hitler is my hero. It's people like you that toss out silly one-liners like that who do the world a disservice. You obviously don't understand the dire situation we as humans are in. We *CANT GROW FOREVER.* I know some Christians out there would have you beleive that it's a good thing to have 17 children, but really - it's not.

So you are in favor of picking and choosing who can live and who can die?
I am glad you have no problem with killing people all in the name of the greater good. I guess in your case the ends do justify the means.
Thank you for letting us know where you stand at least you are honest.
Oh and ther was a book out ages ago about the comming population bomb that would destroy civilization and the mark they stated has come and gone.


Semper Fi
Arturo

[Bwaho]

The best solution to overpopulation is obviously mass murder

Where is Stalin and Mao when you need them?

So does the end justify the means? He failed to share his thoughts on this one

huh?

Well his comments werent exactly the way being quoted

I can see how the quote has been taken out of context

told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show

I doubt he would flat-out say: "Abort blacks" on the radio. Even if he personally thinks aborting blacks is a good idea he wouldn't say it on radio.

[danzig]

I can see how the quote has been taken out of context
I doubt he would flat-out say: "Abort blacks" on the radio. Even if he personally thinks aborting blacks is a good idea he wouldn't say it on radio.

Which is why he should have known better that the context of the quote in answer to a question about abortion impacting crime rate would be lost completely in the mass media.

CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all.

BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens?

CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue.

BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No.

CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah.

BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well --

CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate.

BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006 for audio clip

[nahirean]

Would you want to be killed for the good of the human race? Really? In all honesty?

The best solution to overpopulation is obviously mass murder. What else could it be?

Education. We need to stop breeding while we actually have time. If you understand exponents and how they grow, we won't realize there's a huge problem until it's too late.

Just take the world population, which is: 6,446,131,400

Now, let's take the growth rate: 1.14%

Now, we use a simple Algebraic formula to determine population growth over a period of time: x*y+x. popluation multiplied by percentage of growth plus the original base population amount.

Do this 20 times and look at the number.


Here's your data:

1: 6455155983.96
2: 6464193202.34
3: 6473243072.82
4: 6482305613.12
5: 6491380840.98
6: 6500468774.16
7: 6509569430.44
8: 6518682827.64
9: 6527808983.6
10: 6536947916.18
11: 6546099643.26
12: 6555264182.76
13: 6564441552.62
14: 6573631770.79
15: 6582834855.27
16: 6592050824.07
17: 6601279695.22
18: 6610521486.8
19: 6619776216.88
20: 6629043903.58

How about 70 times?

6455155983.96
6464193202.34
6473243072.82
6482305613.12
6491380840.98
6500468774.16
6509569430.44
6518682827.64
6527808983.6
6536947916.18
6546099643.26
6555264182.76
6564441552.62
6573631770.79
6582834855.27
6592050824.07
6601279695.22
6610521486.8
6619776216.88
6629043903.58
6638324565.05
6647618219.44
6656924884.95
6666244579.78
6675577322.2
6684923130.45
6694282022.83
6703654017.66
6713039133.29
6722437388.07
6731848800.42
6741273388.74
6750711171.48
6760162167.12
6769626394.16
6779103871.11
6788594616.53
6798098648.99
6807615987.1
6817146649.48
6826690654.79
6836248021.71
6845818768.94
6855402915.21
6865000479.29
6874611479.97
6884235936.04
6893873866.35
6903525289.76
6913190225.17
6922868691.48
6932560707.65
6942266292.64
6951985465.45
6961718245.1
6971464650.64
6981224701.16
6990998415.74
7000785813.52
7010586913.66
7020401735.34
7030230297.77
7040072620.18
7049928721.85
7059798622.06
7069682340.13
7079579895.41
7089491307.26
7099416595.09
7109355778.33

This is just AT 1.14% GROWTH! Some cities in the US are at 3-4% growth. We as humans are OBSESSED with growth and are oblivious to the dangers it causes. Did you know, if something grows expoentially by 7% per year it DOUBLES every 10 years? When it doubles, that means, on year 10 you've consumed more of whatever is growing by 7% than you *EVER* have. Guess what is growing at such a rate? Oil Consumption.

(If you want a program to figure out expoential growth, I wrote this VERY primitive and simple program in Python:


###############################
## Calculator version 1.0
###############################




import sys


print """

World Population Calculator

"""


popnum = input("Enter the World Population number: ")
perc = input("Enter the Percentage: ")
I = 1

for I in range(1,71):
popnum = (popnum*perc+popnum)
print popnum
I = I+1
)

*NOTE*: You have to enter percentages in this format: 1.14% = .0014

You have to change the loops from 70 to whatever (always add a 1 naturally so you can get the desired loop point.. IE: 20 loops = 1,21)

*EDIT*

Of course this doesn't include the death rate, if anyone could give me a percentage factor we can factor that in.

[MadKow]

Here is something to think about, probably the study that sparked the debate:

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/990812/abortion.shtml

[Big War Bird]

Bill Bennett just put this out as a theoretical topic.

What about the people who are actually doing it? AKA Planned Parenthood they have bragged for years that their 1.3 million abortions a year have been a benefit to society.