Do you support the Bush Doctrine?

[Il-Principe]

I wonder, if the Bush Doctrine outlived its namesake and became popular. So do you support the Bush Doctrine?

[Armenum]

Well Bush really liked Georgia, I bet you guys miss him. After all, you named your main street from the airport after him

[43rdFoot]

What a mess of a foreign policy.

[karamazovmm]

What he did constituted a doctrine? I see some great ancestors revolving in the tomb

[Exarch]

the bush doctrine can be best summed up as the worst abuse of American power and goodwill for the sake of perpetuating a New american century, in the images of those who'd never been to war, who'd profit from war, and who were absolute

[B5C]

What doctrine you are talking about?
There is the doctrine of pre-emption strikes as an self defense and battling terrorism anywhere.
There is also the doctrine of removing dictatorships and replace them with democracies will provide peace in the Middle East.

[Exarch]

What doctrine you are talking about?
There is the doctrine of pre-emption strikes as an self defense and battling terrorism anywhere.
There is also the doctrine of removing dictatorships and replace them with democracies will provide peace in the Middle East.

it can be argued that US foreign policy has not always been about replacing dictatorships with democracies-but rather, any form of government conducive to washington's wishes-at the moment, colour revolutions instigated by the CIA seem to be in favour of nominal democracies.

Bush's doctrine focused more on taking a more active role in achieving this;

[B5C]

From what I heard the Bush Doctrine is the policy of pre-emption and the Lewis Doctrine is the policy of regime change.

[Exarch]

what's in a name?

at the end of the day, it's still imperialism, plain and simple.

[B5C]

what's in a name?

at the end of the day, it's still imperialism, plain and simple.

Maybe, the Cedar Revolution was done without Bush invading Lebanon. Yet, it took the Iraq invasion and establishing a democracy in Iraq which help set the seeds for Lebanon. Also look at Iran. It's currently under revolt for a more democratic regime.

[Exarch]

Maybe, the Cedar Revolution was done without Bush invading Lebanon. Yet, it took the Iraq invasion and establishing a democracy in Iraq which help set the seeds for Lebanon. Also look at Iran. It's currently under revolt for a more democratic regime.

with no small help from the american CIA; it's still interfering in other coutnries' affairs, with the aim of creating US-friendly puppets, ie it's still imperialism, plain and simple.

[Fluttershy]

you know whats funny/scary... if Iraq and A-stan end up panning out in 40 years or so people will probably look back and see Bush as a good president even though those who lived when he was in power know he was anything but.

[Caelius]

Far too many people don't even know what the Bush Doctrine is.

It really wasn't about "pre-emptive strikes" (of which I whole=heartedly support as a tool of American foreign policy) so much as it was about Bush's vision of a Wilsonian flowering of democracy in the Middle East.

A policy that has been far more successful than many American planners could've probably aimed for.

Just look at what's happening in terms of civil rights and liberties in Arab states over the last decade, or Saudi Arabia, or the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, or the domino effect from Iraq expanding into Iran.

This thread shouldn't be so much about whether people support the "Doctrine" or not, so much as analyzing it's effectiveness

[karamazovmm]

There is simply no doctrine. The effectiveness of the proposed outcomes from those invasions, is extremely debatable, since now without the restriction formerly done by the government the group majority shall take power. But now since that Shiite appears to be on the winning side of numbers, this is counterproductive, since democracy has good tendency of not coming from that.

we have to remember that those conflicts and revolutions derive from the foreign policy that was exercised during the cold war, we have to remember that the Al Qaeda was funded and trained by CIA, via a much loved politician. So what the world is now is always a reflect from what we done before with it.

Now for a Bush doctrine there isn't one, for existence of one you have to be at least different or creative in some way, never mind consistent

[Sphere]

If you had told the key minds behind the Bush doctrine (Wolfawitz, Cheney etc.) that after the invasion of Iraq, 100k+ US soldiers and roughly and equal amount of civilian personal would need to stay in Iraq for 8 years at a cost of many hundreds of billions in US tax payer funds(if not over trillion) and the US would still have to leave while some terrorist organization were operating, I don't think you would had any takers.

Add onto that, allowing the Taliban to re surge in Afghanistan and Pakistan and nearly breaking the armed services in the process, I don't think even the strongest supporters of the Bush doctoring would try it again.

[Hounf of Culan]

I would, Bush brought more change to the Arab world then Obama ever will.

[removeduser_052420]

I would, Bush brought more change to the Arab world then Obama ever will.

Aha yeah, now Middle Easterners hate the USA even more then they used to

[MaryPoppinCaps]

psp, you should know that we were greeted as loved liberators. Come on now. Those countries are better off now than they have ever been, silly goose

[karamazovmm]

ye old pirate! always getting the meaning of things!