Israel & Armenia: Parallel to Each Other?

[Armenum]

I've found that the state of Israel has some striking similarities with Armenian nation. Here's some:

1) Both have been surrounded (Armenia almost surrounded) by Muslim powers, and often been in conflict with those powers.
2) Both small nations
3) Not much resources in either country
4) Both have solid fighting force, but Israel's is more advanced.
5) Both have large diaspora around the world
6) The diaspora of each country are the major supporters of the nations
7) Religion is important in both nations
8) Often the surrounding nations of both nations have wanted to wipe out these countries
9) Both are relatively new independent nations

I'm neither pro-Israel nor anti-Israel; it's just interesting to me some of the similarities between Armenia & Israel.

[motiv-8]

Where is there an Israeli diaspora?

Also, I didn't realize that Armenia was filled with Russian refugees -- i.e. people that didn't have anything to do with the region until 60 years ago or less.

There is one interesting similarity though -- both were ancient states destroyed largely by the Romans until reconstituted in the modern era. You've got it right on there.

[Armenum]

Where is there an Israeli diaspora?

Also, I didn't realize that Armenia was filled with Russian refugees -- i.e. people that didn't have anything to do with the region until 60 years ago or less.

There is one interesting similarity though -- both were ancient states destroyed largely by the Romans until reconstituted in the modern era. You've got it right on there.

Well not Israeli diaspora, but Jewish diaspora. For example, Jewish people in America are a very large number and very influential. And that is a factor in US being such a big ally of Israel. Armenia's diaspora in US is not as large, but still decent size. Armenia has very large diaspora in Russia, but also in Europe and elsewhere.

[maerd2003]

Well not Israeli diaspora, but Jewish diaspora. For example, Jewish people in America are a very large number and very influential. And that is a factor in US being such a big ally of Israel. Armenia's diaspora in US is not as large, but still decent size. Armenia has very large diaspora in Russia, but also in Europe and elsewhere.

jewish =/= israel. there are too many jewish people who are against israel(non-zionists) and much of the israelies are atheist(if i amnot wrong, israel has the most atheist ratio-if you use jewish as religion).

[removeduser_052420]

I've found that the state of Israel has some striking similarities with Armenian nation. Here's some:

1) Both have been surrounded (Armenia almost surrounded) by Muslim powers, and often been in conflict with those powers.
2) Both small nations
3) Not much resources in either country
4) Both have solid fighting force, but Israel's is more advanced.
5) Both have large diaspora around the world
6) The diaspora of each country are the major supporters of the nations
7) Religion is important in both nations
8) Often the surrounding nations of both nations have wanted to wipe out these countries
9) Both are relatively new independent nations

I'm neither pro-Israel nor anti-Israel; it's just interesting to me some of the similarities between Armenia & Israel.

By that Logic, Pakistan and Israel are much more alike than Armenia and Israel

And Armenia does not have a solid fighting force, lol. And also, Israel is a rich country, and Armenia is not.

[Armenum]

By that Logic, Pakistan and Israel are much more alike than Armenia and Israel

And Armenia does not have a solid fighting force, lol. And also, Israel is a rich country, and Armenia is not.

No, Pakistan is a relatively large nation, with a very large population, and it doesn't have tensions with Muslims given it's a Muslim country! The comparison is not accurate.

[removeduser_052420]

No, Pakistan is a relatively large nation, with a very large population, and it doesn't have tensions with Muslims given it's a Muslim country! The comparison is not accurate.

1) Pakistan was created on the basis of religion, Just like Israel.
2) Pakistan is surrounded by countries that have wanted to wipe it off the map, just like Israel.
3) Pakistan has been outnumbered by it's enemies, but has usually held the qualitative advantage, just like Israel.
4) Pakistan's main rival, India, is much bigger both militarily and population wise, just like Israel's main rival, Egypt.
5) Pakistan has been a strong non-NATO ally of the USA, just like Israel, ever since the cold war.

See how I can apply the same logic?

Oh, and look up Afghan-Pakistan relations. You'll see that Afghanistan ( a muslim country) has never been a really good neighbor.

[ShADoW]

Most points seem legit

2) Pakistan is surrounded by countries that have wanted to wipe it off the map, just like Israel.

India is the only nation to come even close to not wanting Pakistan as a country. I'd hardly call that 'surrounded' as China doesn't seem to harbor such thoughts, and Afghanistan well.....You know how close they'd get to do that.

4) Pakistan's main rival, India, is much bigger both militarily and population wise, just like Israel's main rival, Egypt.

Israel has the stronger militarily than Egypt though.

[removeduser_052420]

India is the only nation to come even close to not wanting Pakistan as a country. I'd hardly call that 'surrounded' as China doesn't seem to harbor such thoughts, and Afghanistan well.....You know how close they'd get to do that.

True. But by this point I was trying to convey the message to him that just because Afghanistan is a "muslim country" that it doesn't mean that Pakistan and Afghanistan are automatically best friends

Israel has the stronger militarily than Egypt though.

True, but Egypt has the much bigger population.

[The Noble Lord]

Oh, and look up Afghan-Pakistan relations. You'll see that Afghanistan ( a muslim country) has never been a really good neighbor.

You know the reason why, it is the Durrand line and the border issue. That is why unfortunately Afghan-Pakistani relations are always going to be tense.

[removeduser_052420]

You know the reason why, it is the Durrand line and the border issue. That is why unfortunately Afghan-Pakistani relations are always going to be tense.

Well I'm fine with Afghanistan disputing the Durand line, but they invaded Pakistan when it was weakest back in the 1950's, only to get their asses handed to them by the PAF and Pakistan's pashtun tribes. Not to mention we let in 2 million beggars from their country after the afghan war, they shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

[Georgy Zhukov]

1) Pakistan was created on the basis of religion, Just like Israel.

Israel was based on Zionism, not religion.

[removeduser_052420]

Israel was based on Zionism, not religion.

Whatever. Israel was created for Jews, just like Pakistan was created for the non-hindu minorities of India. That's what I meant by my statement.

[Nazgûl Killer]

Israel was based on Zionism, not religion.

Actually, it was evenly based on both at first and then changed. Israel is considered the land of the Jewish religion as well, and is, by definition, a Jewish state. As such it's not only based on Zionism, even though nowadays it is mostly.

[RomanSoldier9001]

The Armenians dont have the money of Israel difference xD.

[Sher Khan]

Mostly superficial similarities. More important is what sets the two apart.

Armenia was on the wrong side of the international iron curtain.

[ShADoW]

Ah, I see

[Dr. Oza]

i don't see why you need to divide it into muslim vs christian or muslim vs. jewish

the conflict there has nothing to do with religion, zionists want land, the palestinians want their land back.. religion just happens to be there

[Armenum]

i don't see why you need to divide it into muslim vs christian or muslim vs. jewish

the conflict there has nothing to do with religion, zionists want land, the palestinians want their land back.. religion just happens to be there

I know what the conflict deals with, but both nations really haven't gotten common tongue with their Muslim neighbors for long time, it being a religious or non religious reason.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

i don't see why you need to divide it into muslim vs christian or muslim vs. jewish

the conflict there has nothing to do with religion, zionists want land, the palestinians want their land back.. religion just happens to be there

LOL WUT?! Not even close mate! More like Zionists legally own some land and the Palestinians want the Zionist land.