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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8555018.stm


    Hundreds of people, including many women and children, were killed in ethnic violence near the city of Jos in Nigeria at the weekend, officials say. They said villages had been attacked by men with machetes who came from nearby hills.
    Troops have now been deployed in the area and dozens of arrests are said to have been made.
    Acting President Goodluck Jonathan has ordered security forces to prevent more weapons being brought into the area.
    Jos has been under a military curfew since January when at least 200 people died in clashes between Christians and Muslims.
    The latest attacks are said to have been reprisals for the January killings.
    The authorities say the villages are now calm after troops and military vehicles entered them.
    An adviser to the Christian-dominated Plateau state government, Dan Manjang, told AFP: "We have been able to make 95 arrests but at the same time over 500 people have been killed in this heinous act."
    Another Plateau state official, Gregory Yenlong, urged people to "remain calm and be patient as the government steps up security to protect lives and property in this state".
    Many of the dead in the villages of Zot and Dogo-Nahawa are reported to be women and children.
    Chief Gabriel Gyang Bot, from nearby Shen, told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that people in his village feared more attacks.
    He said he had received text messages from people who claimed responsibility for the weekend attacks and had threatened to return.
    Mark Lipdo, from the Christian charity Stefanos Foundation, said Zot village had been almost wiped out.
    He said: "We saw mainly those who are helpless, like small children and then the older men, who cannot run, these were the ones that were slaughtered."
    A resident of Dogo-Nahawa said that the attackers had fired guns as they entered the village before dawn on Sunday in defiance of a curfew.
    "The shooting was just meant to bring people from their houses and then when people came out they started cutting them with machetes," Peter Jang told Reuters news agency.
    Some witnesses said villagers were caught in fishing nets and animal traps as they tried to escape and were then hacked to death. Mud huts were also set on fire.
    Mass burials took place on Sunday and scores more bodies were laid out in the streets of the three attacked villages, awaiting further burials on Monday.
    Figures given for the death tolls in the ethnic clashes have varied widely, sometimes to achieve political ends or to reduce the risk of reprisals, or simply because victims are buried quickly.
    Jos lies between the mainly Muslim north of Nigeria and its largely Christian south.
    Analysts say the latest attack seems to be in reprisal for clashes in January, which claimed the lives of at least 200 people and displaced thousands of others.
    Hundreds of people have fled from Jos in the aftermath of the fighting, the International Committee of the Red Cross says.
    The clashes represent a challenge for Acting President Jonathan. He formally took over last month from President Umaru Yar'Adua, who has a heart problem.
    Mr Yar'Adua returned from three months of treatment in Saudi Arabia two weeks ago but has still not been seen in public.


    I say this is disgusting.Gang warfare is something.Cutting little kids to pieces is something else.Unless those responsible for these massacres brought to justice more will occur

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    It has been happening in Africa for many years now and both sides are as bad as each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavic Sniper View Post
    It has been happening in Africa for many years now and both sides are as bad as each other.
    Well yeah but this is a hineous crime.I can understand an attack against an enemy militia but killing in cold blood women and children its horrible.The same thing has happened many times during the last months and this because noone is brought to justice.Shame because i thought Nigeria was one of the most stable countries in Africa
    Last edited by BlackPirate; March 08, 2010 at 11:58 AM.

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    So how is it that even the article doesn't point finger to anyone you're here with a title "Muslims attack kill 500 christians"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    So how is it that even the article doesn't point finger to anyone you're here with a title "Muslims attack kill 500 christians"?
    You think that in the context of Christian/Muslim constant attacks and reprisals, when the victims of this latest attack were Christians the attackers weren't their enemies?

    One could ask why there wasn't an article in January with the title "Christians attack kill 200 muslims".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Seleucos of Olympia View Post
    You think that in the context of Christian/Muslim constant attacks and reprisals, when the victims of this latest attack were Christians the attackers weren't their enemies?

    One could ask why there wasn't an article in January with the title "Christians attack kill 200 muslims".
    Of course they were but did we saw a thread called "Christian attack kill 200 Muslims"? It would be as wrong as this one if we did. Having a title like this that even the article doesn't use is simply ignoring the real issue at hand and simply accusing a group of people. It's simply destructive.
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    Africa is a mess: civil wars, genocides, coups, corruption, Even though that's where civilization supposedly began, right now that is where civilization ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Africa is a mess: civil wars, genocides, coups, corruption, Even though that's where civilization supposedly began, right now that is where civilization ends.
    A lot of it has to do with colonialism, and the sudden power vacuum left by the European powers when they left. The colonies were simply not prepared, and things collapsed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    Of course they were but did we saw a thread called "Christian attack kill 200 Muslims"? It would be as wrong as this one if we did. Having a title like this that even the article doesn't use is simply ignoring the real issue at hand and simply accusing a group of people. It's simply destructive.
    I agree the title is provocative.But the reason is this:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=326438

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    I agree the title is provocative.But the reason is this:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=326438
    Ah, that explains it!

    I never said christian or muslim. If the people could own guns they could at least have prolonged their defence long enough for the troops to respond. Even though the attackers would certianly have guns as well. It would take much longer to clear all the dwellings out when you have gun waiting behind every door.
    If they had guns on such a scale, they'd chase away the government troops and start a proper civil war...



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    I agree the title is provocative.But the reason is this:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=326438
    I still think both thread titles are destructive. We have many simple-minded in these forums and many would jump and start "Islam is violence" or "Christians are conspiring against Muslims" kind of stupid speeches. The reason I object to such titles is because it creates a potential to ignore the real issue at hand which is not Christian or Muslim violence, but African violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seleucos of Olympia View Post
    One could ask why there wasn't an article in January with the title "Christians attack kill 200 muslims".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    So how is it that even the article doesn't point finger to anyone you're here with a title "Muslims attack kill 500 christians"?
    Especially since we always read about Christians and Muslims killing each other in Nigeria for months?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seleucos of Olympia View Post
    You think that in the context of Christian/Muslim constant attacks and reprisals, when the victims of this latest attack were Christians the attackers weren't their enemies?

    One could ask why there wasn't an article in January with the title "Christians attack kill 200 muslims".
    That.


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    Pawned. I apologize for my over-reaction.

    It's interesting though how many of us jumped to the conclusion that the OP was a muslim hater when there weren't such accusations of him being a Christian hater in the other thread.

    My reply is a proof that at least I, am seeing more Muslim haters than those that actually exist. I'm pre-occupied.
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    Is the real reason because of religious differences? Just because the two sides happen to be Christian and Muslim doesn't mean that religion is the main cause here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Is the real reason because of religious differences? Just because the two sides happen to be Christian and Muslim doesn't mean that religion is the main cause here.
    What do you think the motivation was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavic Sniper View Post
    What do you think the motivation was?
    What I'm saying is that I don't know. However, take Sudan, another African nation. A big conflict is supposedly between Christians and Muslims, although religion there is not the issue. The fight was ALWAYS between the North and the South, which has been exacerbated with the presence of oil in the southern regions.

    Northern Sudan being Muslim and Southern Sudan being Christian is just a side effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slavic Sniper View Post
    What do you think the motivation was?
    Perhaps some people are just s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Is the real reason because of religious differences? Just because the two sides happen to be Christian and Muslim doesn't mean that religion is the main cause here.
    Religion is one of the reasons for these massacres(not the most important).But Nigeria is a nation divided almost equally between Christians and Muslims.So the more Nigerian politicians do nothing to solve this crises the more the chances of this madness spreading increases

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    Religion is one of the reasons for these massacres(not the most important).But Nigeria is a nation divided almost equally between Christians and Muslims.So the more Nigerian politicians do nothing to solve this crises the more the chances of this madness spreading increases
    Way too simplistic. Nigeria is a Federation of various peoples who once belonged to separate sovereign nations or cultures. Probably explains the title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Is the real reason because of religious differences? Just because the two sides happen to be Christian and Muslim doesn't mean that religion is the main cause here.
    World recoils as 500 slaughtered in Nigeria attack - another article on the story

    However the archbishop of the capital Abuja, John Onaiyekan, told Vatican Radio the violence was rooted not in religion but in social, economic and tribal differences.

    "It is a classic conflict between pastoralists and farmers, except that all the Fulani are Muslims and all the Berom are Christians," he said.
    Osama bin Laden can't be happy about this.

    Having your own people die along with your victims somewhat gives moral cover...somewhat. Even when women/children are the majority of the victims.

    Having roaming gangs get Medieval on hundreds of people...and then flee...there's no way to spin that...

    I wonder what Osama would say about this attack? Would he condemn it?

    Regardless of the particulars this is being painted as another example of Muslim violence against non-Muslims.

    If nothing else, since violence in Africa usually doesn't move world powers to act, I hope more Muslim organizations distance themselves and denounce, more vocally, the radical elements of their faith.
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