If i am responsible for my faults, why do i have so many?
Centenarius
am i responsible for my faults
If i am responsible for my faults, why do i have so many?
Re: am i responsible for my faults
No, God is...
That's Ffips backwards
Re: am i responsible for my faults
Maybe you thought no one would notice.Originally Posted by handsome pete
Re: am i responsible for my faults
Because you're lazy and indolent in fixing them?
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude greater than
the animating contest for freedom, go
home from us in peace. We seek not
your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch
down and lick the hand that feeds you,
and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
Re: am i responsible for my faults
Some of them, to varying extends, that would be hotly debated if you went and shot up a school or something.
Indefinitely Banned
Re: am i responsible for my faults
Only the faults that you don't try to fix.
Re: am i responsible for my faults
How do we decide a human is faulty if we don't know what they are for?
Centenarius
Re: am i responsible for my faults
the statement;
"If i am responsible for my faults, why do i have so many?"
was said by me. so they are faults according to myself.
i don't think it's possible if i myself view something as a fault in this sense for me to not also possess a drive to not possess the fault. so i think according to arch heretics definition of responsibility i am not responsible. as strange as this sounds to me.
i think you're talking about a definition of responsibility where, if i do not find a way to solve a problem no one else will. maybe that is an important definition of responsibility to use, since either way i have to act with conviction. perhaps i am the only one who is responsible for what i know.
sometimes i hear people say things like "such and such is responsible for such and such fault which causes their own suffering" and i wonder what exactly it is that they are trying to say. (perhaps it is different in each case)
Last edited by handsome pete; March 08, 2010 at 11:05 AM.
Indefinitely Banned
Re: am i responsible for my faults
You may be aware of facets of your personality exist but you may not realise their effects, it's still your fault.
Also addictions may seem like positive when infact they are negative faults.
Civitate
Re: am i responsible for my faults
You are not responsible for your own faults (eg, you cannot be held responsible for the fact that you have, for example, a short temper) but you can and will be held responsible for allowing your faults to govern your actions against your more level-headed better judgement (eg, losing your temper at someone for something that didn't warrant a loss of temper).
As such, to answer your question strictly within its own bounds: No, you are not. This is, ofcourse, much too vague and allows justification of allowing your faults to dominate your actions, which you are fully responsible for.
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I was joking. You are responsible for every single action you take. Passive "faults" may not be correctable most of the time, but I can't think of a single reason why you shouldn't be held accountable for your deeds, unless of course you have a serious illness.
Centenarius
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that's what i thought.I was joking.
because i have to deal with it eventually.You may be aware of facets of your personality exist but you may not realise their effects, it's still your fault.
this is an interesting statement. i am to be held to account for all my "deeds". is the word deed used to imply a common understanding of what the deed is?but I can't think of a single reason why you shouldn't be held accountable for your deeds, unless of course you have a serious illness.
"unless of coarse you have a serious illness". so you're talking about deliberate remunerations from other people, but not if the entity they can communicate with cannot control the specific deed. i wonder what the cause of this is. is it because serious illnesses already lay a lot of strain on the individuals ability to procreate. or is it because we want to nurture successful people who require our threats and thus our presence in order to be successful members of the tribe. (i am going to sleep now)
Last edited by handsome pete; March 08, 2010 at 12:16 PM.
Gorak
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Some arent necessarily your fault, as in your mistake, but you are the only one to 'blame' for your faults, and the only one accountable for them.
At least, once you're no longer a child.
Tribunus
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I'm confused as to what you think are faults. I don't really view any of my traits as bad but good in some situations and bad in others. If you identify which situations need to avoid which traits then you can both be yourself but not turn off people with what they might perceive as a fault in said situation.
Comes Rei Militaris
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Faulty implies broken, why don't you assume you are great and simply want to grow in different areas.
Wow, the ardent defender of religion is the quickest to cast judgement and criticise. Not sure whether you were joking but it speaks volumes either way.
Your perspective is a matter of choice. You can choose to view them as faults. You have so many because you choose to sit and think about how many bad things there are, alternatively you could sit and think about how many good things there are.
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It is only a defender of religion who's really qualified to judge and criticize. Have you wondered why secular society has dissolved into doubt and relativism?
In either case I don't see what is wrong in what I'd said. If you have faults, the problem ipso facto lies in you (who else could it lie in?).
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude greater than
the animating contest for freedom, go
home from us in peace. We seek not
your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch
down and lick the hand that feeds you,
and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
Mortuus Sol
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Jeez i sincerely hope you're joking. Qualified? WTH do you mean by that? That sounds just like a complete Lockian. 'Only the religious can be trusted because atheists have no concept of heaven or hell.' (That's just a massive sum up of what his says) You can't seriously suggest that the only people who are worthy of casting opinions and judgements are religious people. That way, society drains back to Conservatism, and we're only offered one perspective to reality. What makes your argument anymore valid than Denny's? You have to just assume that you're answer is the only one, which is once again highly reductive.
Secular society, if it can even be argued to have decended into doubt and relativism, has done so because it's trying to progress to a state where we can be as close to the truth as we possibly can. Do not make the mistake that without doubt there is only truth. Without doubt there is only blind acceptance. With doubt we have debates, and with debates comes a course of action that can lead us closer to a more accurate truth. Do not cast out ideas and opinions because they appear wrong.
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I didn't assume. He stated it in the very first post.
Yes that's why human society has tended towards an objective stance on everything as long as religions were prevalent (that is, for basically all of human history), and only now is disintegrating into relativity due to secularism? In this you trace a natural tendency towards relativism? There is nothing natural about either atheism or relativism. People want to know what's good and bad, what's right and wrong, and it took the numb enlightenment of atheism to start telling them there's no such thing. Not before then.Humans tend towards relativism because experience is relative.
Not worthy; qualified. As in, having a basis on which to place their judgments on. An atheist, in believing nothing, has nothing to place his judgments on, which is why modern secularism dissolves into all-pervasive doubt.
You may not agree that my judgment is valid; as an atheist you might well not. I am talking about the psychological status of the decider himself. A religious person will feel no compunctions against categorical decisions, while the atheist will be forever torn in a maze of relativism.That way, society drains back to Conservatism, and we're only offered one perspective to reality. What makes your argument anymore valid than Denny's?
Yes, our awesome secular society is trying to get as close to truth as possible -- namely that there is no truth.Secular society, if it can even be argued to have decended into doubt and relativism, has done so because it's trying to progress to a state where we can be as close to the truth as we possibly can
Have you thought carefully about what you're so indignant towards me about?
Last edited by SigniferOne; March 08, 2010 at 07:01 PM.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude greater than
the animating contest for freedom, go
home from us in peace. We seek not
your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch
down and lick the hand that feeds you,
and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
Remember to smile
Re: am i responsible for my faults
Not bad.
I would add that you should take initiative once you think about that 1st good option. Then others will need to react to your instinct. Take your lead, and it will turn out their fault.
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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Re: am i responsible for my faults
Qualified? You automatically assume there are faults, I automatically assume there are areas a person needs to grow and expand. That there are challenges not problems.
Yes society has dissolved into relativism, there are objective truths but human experience is subjective. That is why if you get a police report of a car crash from ten different eye witnesses they will all be slightly different despite the car crash being an objective event there will be ten different perspectives.
Humans tend towards relativism because experience is relative. So when someone talks about faults or problems those are relativistic regardless of what objective truths you might think you know. Even if you were right about those obective truths it doesn't make you any less wrong here.
The propensity to cast judgement and build up ones ego accordingly makes for very bad discussion or therapy. I would like to say it is prevalent amongst religious people, perhaps a bit more but is prevalent throughout society which is why there is so much mental illness in society. It is practically a societal construct.
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