What's wrong with Sauron?

[catking2003]

By constantly slaughtering elven prisoners, I am experiencing a very poor relationship with Mr. Dark Lord as OotMM. I was thinking the poor relation might be of other reasons but last time I execute some prisoners again, the relationship drops immediately. So it seems Sauron doesn't like the idea of killing elves?

[Muffer Nl]

Which version of the game are you playing?

Oh btw - Questions Thread...

[catking2003]

Which version of the game are you playing?

Oh btw - Questions Thread...

playing the latest version+bugfix

[Muffer Nl]

I believe it was fixed that killing good made you lose reputation and all but I might be wrong...
Try to start a new campaign and see if it happens there as well...

[catking2003]

I believe it was fixed that killing good made you lose reputation and all but I might be wrong...
Try to start a new campaign and see if it happens there as well...

I am not losing reputation. My reputation is mixed right now. But my relationship with Dark Lord Sauron seems deteriorate when I kill good factions' prisoners (a relationship worsened information pop up after the execution)

That just makes no sense to me.

[killerrabbit]

that's strange indeed... You would suppose Sauron enjoyed the sight of dying elves..

[Hermes Trismegistos]

I played OotMM in 1.4 and executed all the prisoners and I never noticed any "worse relation with the Dark Lord" screen afterwards...

[confused german]

Maybe he thinks your just letting his enemies die to quickly. They get old, remember that, they can be tortured for a thousand years...

No, ot: maybe if you drop somehow below a certain line of DarkLord-reputation, he just miffs you literally every thing you do, that's not explecitly worshipping him? The question then would be: How did your DarkLord's Rep go down so badly? Wanted to place your goblin butt in the Orthanc? Or have you been a bad goblin and ignored his tasks and invasions? Or is it really something strange?

[Kwisatz Haderach]

I really wish there was a way to make any interactions with Mordor mirror your standing with Sauron. Not being able to offer a monetary tribute or any other diplomacy really hurts your ability to make Sauron like you. I usually just try to build dark temples and join invasions, but that is only temporary at best. It would make sense that if you give Mordor a lot of money and/or territory that Sauron would be pleased with you.

One of the more annoying things is that most invasion proposals don't work unless your standing is really high (it doesn't matter if your standing is the highest of all evil factions if they are all low). I usually try to weaken the dwarves with invasions but most of their settlements are low priority and never get picked, so they typically steamroll the entire northern mountain ranges without a good fight.

[Seleukos_I.]

In RR/RC Sauron likes you when you kill prisoners and exterminate cities.

[catking2003]

Maybe he thinks your just letting his enemies die to quickly. They get old, remember that, they can be tortured for a thousand years...

No, ot: maybe if you drop somehow below a certain line of DarkLord-reputation, he just miffs you literally every thing you do, that's not explecitly worshipping him? The question then would be: How did your DarkLord's Rep go down so badly? Wanted to place your goblin butt in the Orthanc? Or have you been a bad goblin and ignored his tasks and invasions? Or is it really something strange?

yeah, my reputation with dark lord is low at that time for reasons I don't know. I did join his invasion against rohan but never make it to the city. (i can't spare any troops during the war with 4 factions )

[Baron Samedi]

yeah, my reputation with dark lord is low at that time for reasons I don't know. I did join his invasion against rohan but never make it to the city. (i can't spare any troops during the war with 4 factions )

You don't have to send a full stack to join the invasion if you can't afford it and you don't need to attack and take the invasion target first. Just serve as a back-up for other A.I. invasion/crusade stacks. You also need to arrive at the province of the invasion target if you want better relations with Sauron, which in your situation wasn't the case.


Other tips to improve relations with the pope:

• Most common: build religious buildings and more important do not destroy them!
• Use your faction leader to join invasions --> huge improvement
• Take the invasion target or at least arrive at the target
• Do not attack A.I. stacks that join invasions
• Do not attack/kill the allies of Sauron (or evil factions at all)

Executing prisoners as apposed to releasing or asking ransom for them hurts your global faction standing btw. Same counts for sacking or exterminating settlements.

[catking2003]

You don't have to send a full stack to join the invasion if you can't afford it and you don't need to attack and take the invasion target first. Just serve as a back-up for other A.I. invasion/crusade stacks. You also need to arrive at the province of the invasion target if you want better relations with Sauron, which in your situation wasn't the case.



Other tips to improve relations with the pope:

• Most common: build religious buildings and more important do not destroy them!
• Use your faction leader to join invasions --> huge improvement
• Take the invasion target or at least arrive at the target
• Do not attack A.I. stacks that join invasions
• Do not attack/kill the allies of Sauron (or evil factions at all)

Executing prisoners as apposed to releasing or asking ransom for them hurts your global faction standing btw. Same counts for sacking or exterminating settlements.

You may be right. As I was using the invasion forces fighting elves rather than the target rohan city, Dark Lord may not like it. Will try to improve relationship with Sauron now

[ArmoredSergeant]

I've experienced the exact same situation with the OP. As Mordor, after winning a battle against Silvan Elves I execute the prisoners. Immediately the faction relation message drops down on the left and when I click it it says that my faction relations with the Dark Lord is bad. This has happened several times, but not every time I execute Silvan Elves. Checking the Pope screen, I have sunk as low as 'The Dark Lord will not suffer Mordor to be mentioned in his presence.' It makes me wonder if, at some time, the Silvan Elves had an alliance with the Dark Lord.

The Silvan Elves are currently under protectorate of the Dwarves. I have also once lost relations with the Dwarves after slaughtering Silvan Elves.

EDIT:
This is with v1.4.1 with no extensions, btw.

[catking2003]

I've experienced the exact same situation with the OP. As Mordor, after winning a battle against Silvan Elves I execute the prisoners. Immediately the faction relation message drops down on the left and when I click it it says that my faction relations with the Dark Lord is bad. This has happened several times, but not every time I execute Silvan Elves. Checking the Pope screen, I have sunk as low as 'The Dark Lord will not suffer Mordor to be mentioned in his presence.' It makes me wonder if, at some time, the Silvan Elves had an alliance with the Dark Lord.

The Silvan Elves are currently under protectorate of the Dwarves. I have also once lost relations with the Dwarves after slaughtering Silvan Elves.

EDIT:
This is with v1.4.1 with no extensions, btw.

I may find out what's wrong here. Did you attack and execute elves with your invasion army? It seems if your invasion army attack any troops except the invasion target your relationship with dark lord might drop drastically. So if you have an invasion army then it should be directed straight to the target city and attack no other enemies.

[ArmoredSergeant]

Did you attack and execute elves with your invasion army?

Absolutely, my general was on crusade. At the time I didn't know we were supposed to march somewhere shown on the mission map. So when Sauron calls a crusade I put all my armies on join mode and play as normal + mountains of gold from free upkeep.

So if you have an invasion army then it should be directed straight to the target city and attack no other enemies.

Attack no other enemies? But Gondor was throwing stacks at me! That's too bad. But I will continue to do what I'm doing because it doesn't seem to matter if the Dark Lord doesn't like me. All it says is the sarcastic 'this must be part of your labyrinth-like plan.' Plus, if it gets too bad I can just buy a few cities from Harad or Isengard and build Temples of Melchor to appease his unholy Darkness.

[catking2003]

Absolutely, my general was on crusade. At the time I didn't know we were supposed to march somewhere shown on the mission map. So when Sauron calls a crusade I put all my armies on join mode and play as normal + mountains of gold from free upkeep.



Attack no other enemies? But Gondor was throwing stacks at me! That's too bad. But I will continue to do what I'm doing because it doesn't seem to matter if the Dark Lord doesn't like me. All it says is the sarcastic 'this must be part of your labyrinth-like plan.' Plus, if it gets too bad I can just buy a few cities from Harad or Isengard and build Temples of Melchor to appease his unholy Darkness.

hmm... i would rather not anger the dark lord. it is rumored that your relationship with dark lord might somehow influence your relationships with other evil factions.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

hmm... i would rather not anger the dark lord. it is rumored that your relationship with dark lord might somehow influence your relationships with other evil factions.

Stuff the other dark powers. As an Evil faction it's your duty to get rid of the competion. For example as Mordor, you make peace with Gondor while it's wipes out Harad. Then you assume the role of world janitor and mop up the slop....

[Muffer Nl]

It does, that's a fact.

[Painis_Cupcake]