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    Ethical investigations soiling GOP’s image
    Inquiries into Frist, DeLay come at a bad time for Republicans

    The Associated Press
    Updated: 5:35 p.m. ET Sept. 23, 2005


    WASHINGTON - Heading into a midterm election year, Republicans find themselves with not one, but two congressional leaders — Bill Frist in the Senate and Tom DeLay in the House — fending off questions of ethical improprieties.

    The news that federal prosecutors and the Securities and Exchange Commission are looking into Frist’s sale of stock in HCA Inc., the hospital operating company founded by his family, comes as a criminal investigation continues of Jack Abramoff, a high-powered Republican lobbyist, and his ties to DeLay of Texas.

    Less than a week ago, a former White House official was arrested in the Abramoff investigation.

    For Republicans, the timing couldn’t be worse.

    “The last thing you needed was a Martha Stewart problem,” Marshall Wittman, a one-time conservative activist who now works for the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, said of Frist. “He doesn’t even have a good clothing line or a popular television show.”

    Stewart, the homemaking doyenne, served five months in federal prison for lying to authorities about a stock deal and nearly six months more in home confinement.

    Hoping to beat the odds
    The midterm elections occur in just over 13 months and Republicans face the historic reality that the party controlling the White House typically loses seats in non-presidential years.

    Shadowing the GOP outlook is President Bush’s diminishing approval ratings as the war in Iraq, rising oil prices and the need for billions in federal spending after devastating hurricanes threaten to overwhelm a second-term agenda.

    “It may not cost the Republicans any seats directly, but it’s something they don’t need right now,” said John J. Pitney, a professor at Claremont McKenna College in California who once worked as a research analyst for House Republicans. “They’ve got plenty of problems as it is.”

    Still, in the Republican-controlled Congress, Democrats have more Senate seats to defend — 17 to the GOP’s 15 — and redistricting has made fewer House seats competitive.

    Charlie Black, a Republican consultant with close ties to the White House, expects Frist to be cleared by next year and any whiff of scandal to be gone.

    “I suspect the DeLay matter and this matter will be resolved long before November ’06,” Black said.

    An unconventional political past
    Frist cultivated a political outsider image when he ran for the Senate in 1994. “I don’t want a career in Washington. I want change,” said the Tennessee heart surgeon, who didn’t register to vote until 1988 and didn’t vote until he was 36.

    The year 1994 marked the Republican revolution, when the GOP seized control of Congress after decades of Democratic rule in the House and years in the Senate. The GOP portrayed their rivals as beholden to special interests and corrupt after years of entrenchment.

    More than a decade later, Republicans are trying to avoid the perception that they resemble the Democrats they replaced.

    “The overall problem the Republican Party has is it is increasingly looking like Tammany Hall,” Wittman said. “An odor of sleaziness is enveloping the Republicans and seeping into the administration.”

    Democrats seized on the latest development, with party chairman Howard Dean criticizing Frist and arguing that Republicans “have made their culture of corruption the norm.”

    The challenge for Frist is to clear his name in a federal investigation while trying to maintain his hold on the post of Senate majority leader.

    Frist came to power in 2002 when Republicans forced out Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., after he made racially tinged remarks in support of former Sen. Strom Thurmond, R-S.C., a one-time segregationist.

    Following in Lott's footsteps?
    If Republicans see Frist and the probes as a drag, he could suffer the same fate as Lott. Frist also is a lame-duck leader who has indicated he won’t seek another term.

    Chris Lehane, a Democratic consultant who has managed scandals, said Frist’s political strategy would be to get information out, but that approach is hardly what a lawyer would advise his client.

    An insider trading investigation also raises the possibility of civil action by shareholders and a discovery process that “disgorges all kinds of documents,” Lehane said.

    “Even information benign in another type of environment — what about this phone message from your brother” — has added significance, Lehane said.

    Frist has been mentioned as a potential presidential candidate in 2008 — a prospect that looks less likely with the federal probe and his break with conservatives on embryonic stem-cell research.

    “That romance was over before it started,” Wittman said.

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    With lower approval ratings, this scandal is quite a debacle to the Republicans. How will they deal with this?
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    I hope the Republicans suffer badly, and lose lots and lots of seats in '06. Although this will mean the democrats get to be the majorly corrupt party (both parties are always very corrupt, it just gets worse when they're in power), at least the chances of christian policies will be marginalized. Of course, this isn't even the kind of corruption I care about, this is basically semantics and petty little mis-judgements. Hopefully sometime soon, something will get done about how corrupt washington is, not becuase of things like this but because of their interests and their attitudes.

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    Ther is more than a year and month before the next election so don't count on two doubtful scandals to undo the republican majorities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Ther is more than a year and month before the next election so don't count on two doubtful scandals to undo the republican majorities
    Yeah, I know. But things have steadily been looking worse and worse for them, and if that continues, they certainly won't be winning any seats in '06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    Ther is more than a year and month before the next election so don't count on two doubtful scandals to undo the republican majorities
    Isn't it ironic that because ex-President Bill Clinton had a little fun, but lied about his personal life, he was threatened with impeachment, yet the corrupt activities of Rove and now Frist and DeLay will probably go unpunished?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prarara
    Isn't it ironic that because ex-President Bill Clinton had a little fun, but lied about his personal life, he was threatened with impeachment, yet the corrupt activities of Rove and now Frist and DeLay will probably go unpunished?
    If facts mean anything anymore is highly questionable that Rove, DeLay or Frist did anything wrong.

    Rove is in trouble for telling the truth about a liar.

    Frist is in trouble because what he did what watchdog groups wanted him to do.

    DeLay is in trouble, well no he's not in trouble. He stands accused of conspiracy but Earle has shown no evidence of a conspiracy!
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    If I were any of you, I wouldn't count on big changes in America's mid-term elections, next year. Being "deep" within the GOP, and knowing some of the "movers and shakers", the Republican Party is very united, at the present time. Even the recent problems between Conservatives and Moderates completely disappeared, with the indictment of Delay on a phony trumped-up charge (levelled by a Texas prosecutor who is a DEM fanatic).

    Since the 2000 Census, and with control of Congress and most of the Gubernatorial offices in the States, the GOP has made it very difficult for the DEMs to unseat incumbents. Even the "shenanigans" by the Clinton Census ... checking race/ethnic groups and locations ... worked to the GOP's advantage. The Party was able to re-district with stronger groups of Latinos (who tend to vote Republican) in formerly all-black districts. It's very possible that some "blue" states will turn "red", in the next few years.

    Consider that Democrats with presidential ambitions will have to take positions that pander to the extreme-Left view, in order to get nominated in 2008, and this puts the DEMs in a bad position to regain the White House. And the re-districting thing I mentioned above will still be working in the GOP's favor.

    The United States is likely to stay GOP-dominated for many years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer
    If I were any of you, I wouldn't count on big changes in America's mid-term elections, next year. Being "deep" within the GOP, and knowing some of the "movers and shakers", the Republican Party is very united, at the present time. Even the recent problems between Conservatives and Moderates completely disappeared, with the indictment of Delay on a phony trumped-up charge (levelled by a Texas prosecutor who is a DEM fanatic).

    Since the 2000 Census, and with control of Congress and most of the Gubernatorial offices in the States, the GOP has made it very difficult for the DEMs to unseat incumbents. Even the "shenanigans" by the Clinton Census ... checking race/ethnic groups and locations ... worked to the GOP's advantage. The Party was able to re-district with stronger groups of Latinos (who tend to vote Republican) in formerly all-black districts. It's very possible that some "blue" states will turn "red", in the next few years.

    Consider that Democrats with presidential ambitions will have to take positions that pander to the extreme-Left view, in order to get nominated in 2008, and this puts the DEMs in a bad position to regain the White House. And the re-districting thing I mentioned above will still be working in the GOP's favor.

    The United States is likely to stay GOP-dominated for many years to come.

    The "Republican" party is nothing more than a farce. I assume you're a member of it, and I say to you: Why do you support a president who spends like a "Liberal?" Why are you guys actually doing the things you're supposedly fighting against: Raising taxes, spending more, increasing the size of government? It's a bloody sham. Both sides of the political isle in America are controlled by coporate interest and do the exact same thing once elected into office. We need a political "great flood." Neither "popular" party acts in the best interest of the American taxpayer. All of these radio morons can go to the hot place as far as I am concerned. This includes: Hannity, Franken, Rhodes, Limbaugh, etc. They're all closed minded cronies who cater to simple minded, uninformed nitwits who want to feel "informed" about daily events. It's absurd. If you're on the right the best party in America right now is the Libertarian party. If you're on the left, the best party is the Green party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prarara
    Isn't it ironic that because ex-President Bill Clinton had a little fun, but lied about his personal life, he was threatened with impeachment, yet the corrupt activities of Rove and now Frist and DeLay will probably go unpunished?
    Impeachment is a political process. It has virtually nothing to do with the law or criminal activities. If a President gets into trouble, and the Congress is run by the opposition party, he could well be impeached.

    And what were those corrupt activities? Would you like to see corruption in government? Come to Illinois ... the state ruled by Big Dick Daley and the mob, all Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prarara
    Isn't it ironic that because ex-President Bill Clinton had a little fun, but lied about his personal life, he was threatened with impeachment, yet the corrupt activities of Rove and now Frist and DeLay will probably go unpunished?
    What corrupt activities of Rove and Frist? Right now there is nothing but opinion (Rove) and accusations (Frist). Remember too Delay is innocent until proven guilty while Clinton got caught lying under oath even if it was an utterly stupid and petty (by Republicans) attack on him. Maybe Delay will get off maybe he wont but it did cost (at least temporarily) his position in the Republican pecking order. Oh and for argument sake

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/3594772.html

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    Tom Delay getting penalized for curruption?
    This is America not pansy ass Europe!
    Delay for president in 2008!
    Vash- Rem, why cant people just get along?
    Rem- because people have many different ways of thinking.
    Even if we do make mistakes people can make better choices the next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovietInsurgent
    Tom Delay getting penalized for curruption?
    This is America not pansy ass Europe!
    Delay for president in 2008!
    Yeah europe keeps their corruption limited to the UN

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig
    What corrupt activities of Rove and Frist? Right now there is nothing but opinion (Rove) and accusations (Frist). Remember too Delay is innocent until proven guilty while Clinton got caught lying under oath even if it was an utterly stupid and petty (by Republicans) attack on him. Maybe Delay will get off maybe he wont but it did cost (at least temporarily) his position in the Republican pecking order. Oh and for argument sake

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...s/3594772.html
    Good post. I think that John Stewart sums up my opinions on the matter quite nicely:

    http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/t...es/index.jhtml

    Click on I'm so indicted.

    BTW, the point is that with the recent scandals that are being brought up, whether they contain substance or not, is still harmful to the Republican image, and with lower approval ratings combined with such incidents, the lookout isn't too sunny.
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    I'm not too worried about loss of support. The GOP has way to many heavy hitters who remain "clean" in the publics eye.

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