buildings...?

**dbug** · March 06, 2010, 03:32 PM

ummm... can someone tell me what the sarmatian royal tombs actually do?
and, are the Agrigentum Temples in the wrong place, cos the thing on the strat map shows that its in the region occupied by Syracuse, but the actual 'building' is in Lilibeo.

**XSamatan** · March 07, 2010, 05:34 AM

The stratmap model in Syracause region is IIRC a artfact from a previous version which was forget to be deleted.

From edb:

Sarmatian Tombs bonuses:
recruits_morale_bonus bonus 1 requires factions { pontus, } and hidden_resource variantea
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1 requires hidden_resource variantea

XSamatan

**dbug** · March 07, 2010, 03:28 PM

considering the position of the tombs, it doesn't do anything, then... cos the variantea hidden resource wasn't in Gava Aursa where the tombs are supposed to be...
hmmm... is this one of the things that the EB team missed?

**XSamatan** · March 08, 2010, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by dbug

cos the variantea hidden resource wasn't in Gava Aursa where the tombs are

Did you look that up in the text files?

XSamatan

**dbug** · March 08, 2010, 06:35 PM

yes, I checked in descr_regions.txt and the hidden resource was missing
I think the 'variantea' line should be changed to some other resource present in Gava Aursa

**XSamatan** · March 09, 2010, 02:10 AM

Thanks for reporting it!
I'll note that, but cannot say when and if it will be fixed.

XSamatan

**dbug** · March 09, 2010, 02:47 AM

hmm... i'm thinking of releasing a patch for the fix...or a tutorial on how to fix it...lol

**dbug** · March 09, 2010, 10:06 PM

btw what's the morale bonus supposed to be for?
apparently it's only for the Saka Rauka.... which I don't get as well.

**Ludens** · March 10, 2010, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by dbug

btw what's the morale bonus supposed to be for?
apparently it's only for the Saka Rauka.... which I don't get as well.

Building morale bonus apparently does not work. It is a bug in R:TW, so the EB team cannot fix it.

**magraev** · March 11, 2010, 01:13 PM

If it doesn't work why do the team use it so much? Why not replace it with other "real" bonusses instead?

**Ludens** · March 11, 2010, 02:07 PM

The buildings were statted when people still assumed the bonus worked. EB's buildings haven't been reworked in a long time, and now the team has moved on to EB2.

**magraev** · March 12, 2010, 01:17 AM

Well that would explain it - maybe one can automatically replace all "morale" with "exp"? Worth a try, but will make those bonusses stronger and potentially unbalanced.

**dbug** · March 12, 2010, 04:41 AM

it would be better to just get rid of it...

**magraev** · March 12, 2010, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by dbug

it would be better to just get rid of it...

I'm not sure I agree. Those temples giving for example +3 morale and +15 happiness would be utterly useless then. Maybe a lesser exp-bonus is in order - exchanging +2 and +3 morale with +1 exp or something like that.

Funny how many ppl still insist on building Mars-temples as Rome, when they are clearly the most useless. Old habits die hard I guess...

**torongill** · March 12, 2010, 05:33 AM

Actually Mars Temple in Rome is one of the best things for educating generals. I cannot prove it, of course, it is my gut feeling, but a greater number of FMs who stay in Rome in my campaign tend to acquire stars. True, not so many as a general in the field, who has killed a bunch of enemy soldiers, but still.

**magraev** · March 12, 2010, 05:57 AM

You can choose a temple that will give you double the public order bonus and/or a trade or tax bonus. That means more money every season and less chance of a rebellion. In vanilla Mars tended to give your generals negative vices, but I don't know if that has been fixed - seems fair to me that a war-god should give good generals. Maybe you have other good buildings in Roma?

**XSamatan** · March 12, 2010, 07:15 AM

There are theories about the morale bonus, that say it works just in the province the bonus is gained. Sadly you can't measure morale exactly.

However, changing it to experience would unbalance it way too much (due to the RTW system of gained weapon points). So you would have to re-write all those temples and buildings to another purpose and keep it balanced enough. IIRC the change to experience was done by one guy over at the org-forum, you may want to search there.

XSamatan

**magraev** · March 12, 2010, 07:21 AM

I'll try that, thanks.

**torongill** · March 12, 2010, 08:14 AM

Experience needs reworking, because adding so much attacking ability is wrong, and I'm saying that even though I currently have golden accensi and a double golden general. If experience can be transformed in increased defense, morale and sometimes attack it would be better. Still, too much of morale is not a good thing.

**dbug** · March 12, 2010, 11:39 PM

by getting buildings like temple of mars to allow for more chances of getting certain good traits, it would - I think - make them worth the mnai taken to build them
but then again, those buildings would only be for generals and FMs