If your country of residence enforced a law that required all residents to belong to an organized religion, which dogma would you pretend to uphold and why? Leaving the country is not an option.
Miles
Question for Atheists
If your country of residence enforced a law that required all residents to belong to an organized religion, which dogma would you pretend to uphold and why? Leaving the country is not an option.
Vicarius
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I'd be tempted to go with some kind of massively liberal form of Christianity like Unitarianists or Quakers, or perhaps Western Buddhism. Basically I'd go for the religion that would invade least into my life.
I would far rather leave the country or protest about it though.
Domesticus
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Buddhism, because I could still be atheist...technically.
Vicarius Provinciae
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Just a question but what do you mean by technically?Originally Posted by Comrade Wiggum
Buddhism, because I could still be atheist...technically.
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Vicarius
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Buddhism does not have any gods (or at least not in all denominations of Buddhism), so you can still lack belief in god(s) and be a Buddhist.
Indefinitely Banned
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Oh jeez, don't get him started.
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He is right, of course. Buddhists are generally atheists, in that they do not believe in a deity. They do have spiritual beliefs of course.Oh jeez, don't get him started.
And one must omit Tibetan Buddhists and so on, as they've got some Hindu deities in the mix.
Biarchus
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Proven true where I live.Buddhism, because I could still be atheist...technically.
I'm afraid of everyone
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Athiesm in itself could be considered dogmatic. And almost certainly any government would enact laws creating an actual state religion. I highly doubt that they would just require everyone to be religious.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Vicarius
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How is that exactly? There is no set of beliefs in atheism, it is simply the lack of belief in god. You may as well say "Theism" dogmatic - there are no neccesary beliefs or tenets apart from those described in the position itself.
Atheism isn't a philosophy, it's a position on theistic claims.
I'm afraid of everyone
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dog·mat·ic
? ?[dawg-mat-ik, dog-]
–adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a dogma or dogmas; doctrinal.
2.
asserting opinions in a doctrinaire or arrogant manner; opinionated.
dog·ma
? ?[dawg-muh, dog-]
–noun,plural-mas, -ma·ta ?[-muh-tuh] Show IPA.
1.
a system of principles or tenets, as of a church.
2.
a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption.
3.
prescribed doctrine: political dogma.
4.
a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle.
Atheism is just as dogmatic as theism. Don't take offense as I am not in any way using dogmatic as bad word. I am merely saying that it is a characteristic of Atheism... or any other -theism for that matter.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Indefinitely Banned
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Atheists only have one rule, you can't believe in god, there are no other rules, there's no political rules, beliefs (there are no beliefs actually) principle, church, tenets, system, doctrine, authority, there are no opinions.
I'm afraid of everyone
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The fact that Atheism has the one rule/principle/opinion that you cannot believe in God, qualifies it as dogmatic.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
I'm afraid of everyone
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Okay
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
Indefinitely Banned
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The internet contradicts itself, say it aint so.
We can both find definitions that will support our own opinions (get it).
Let's see what a more expanded definition will say: Dogma, as an unchallenged belief, puts many constraints upon our knowledge. Not only does it prevent us from realising the possibilities of other worlds but it even changes the way we perceive the world we are in and what we regard as truth.
http://www.calresco.org/lucas/fact.htm
Would you disagree with that?
I'm afraid of everyone
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No I would not. You are proving my point. Many think of atheism as being exactly like your definition.
Well good Lord Ferrets, I can consider myself the King of America, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.
In the Legion of Rahl Under the patronage of Corporal_Hicks
“I grew up middle class, white, my parents loved me. So I might not necessarily relate to what your circumstances were. I hear them and understand them, but that’s not an excuse for you to fail. Don’t come in here and say, ‘Well, you know, that’s just kind of the way I was brought up.’ No. If you’re in a bad way right now, it’s because of the choices you made in response to your circumstances. So change your choices.” -Gene Chizik
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I don't believe in God and I'm not an atheist
I don't believe in God -> Agnostic
God doesn't exist -> Atheism
Indefinitely Banned
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Yes you are.
No, gnosticism is a statement on your knowledge of god, "a" means without: without knowledge of god (that means every sane human being)
No, that's explicit/strong/hard atheism.
The other form of athesim is implicit/soft/weak, which is a lack of belief.
Frankly to accuse all atheists of believing that there is no god is insulting.
Domesticus
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Ohhere we go again!
You don't believe in god, therefore you are atheist by it's very definition.
Vicarius
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Oh lawdy
Here I thought we were done with this scrap. I'm going to sit this one out.
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