Turkey should leave NATO and become an ally of Russia

[white-wolf]

Since EU does not accept Turkey as a member because of her population is muslim, and US (strategic partner and ally of Turkey) is back-stabbing, Turkey has no future with the western world. Instead, Turkey must be ally of Russia, I think.

What is your idea about that?

[Dr Zoidberg]

How about the majority EU doesn't think Turkey is actually part of Europe, hence which would sort of preclude it from joining the European Union? Just a thought.

Can you give some details as how you perceive the US as a back-stabbing ally? No criticism implied, just genuinely curious as to what you mean.

What's in it for Turkey, being allied to Russia?

[Tiberios]

Saying the EU doesn't want Turkey in just because it's population is muslim is a bit over generalizing. I'd say it has just as much to do with lack of human rights and an unstable democracy.

How about the majority EU doesn't think Turkey is actually part of Europe, hence which would sort of preclude it from joining the European Union? Just a thought.

This too.

[white-wolf]

Saying the EU doesn't want Turkey in just because it's population is muslim is a bit over generalizing. I'd say it has just as much to do with lack of human rights and an unstable democracy.

Turkey is an European country both historically and geographicly, besides she is an Asian country also.

About human rights and economy; Turkey is better on this matters than some EU member states which I am not going to name. Accept it, if Turkey is not muslim, she was on the board decades ago.

About US back-stabbing, check latest US senota panel decision.

[Tiberios]

Turkey is an European country both historically and geographicly, besides she is an Asian country also.

Well I respectfully disagree about Turkey being European.

About human rights and economy; Turkey is better on this matters than some EU member states which I am not going to name. Accept it, if Turkey is not muslim, she was on the board decades ago.

Please name the European nations that has worse human rights records than Turkey.

This is correct when speaking for a considerable part of the population.

Many yes, but for many it's just one of many reasons.

This is correct when speaking for the political Establishment and the majority of the population + we got our hand full already + bordering Iraq, Syria and Iran raises some concerns + the intire Kurdish issue.

I'd say many ordinary citizens are concerned about this too. I know this bothers me a hell of a lot more than Turkey being muslim. The latter doesn't really bother me.

[Mangalore]

Well I respectfully disagree about Turkey being European.

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It's however completely irrelevant because it's solely the name of the organization describing the rough geographic and origin of it, not some precise determination. Or should we stop calling the Holy Roman empire of German nation that because it was neither holy, Roman and also controlled plenty of non-German territory?

Wether Turkey can be an EU member is a question of political and social ideology (=> liberal, democratic, tolerant) and economic stability and wealth, not wether 15% or 69% of it's territory is located in one randomly drawn geographic region which actually has no real meaning than for rough directions.


The Turkey<>Russia idea is pretty unrealistic. Turkey was always more western oriented than eastern oriented and historically was mainly at odds with Russia. They share more with the EU than with Russia on various levels. On a theoretical level Russia remains Turkey's main security risk as Russia's main strategic dilemma in the South remain the Dardanelles and what use their Black Sea Fleet has that way.

[danzig]

Turkey is an European country both historically and geographicly, besides she is an Asian country also.

About human rights and economy; Turkey is better on this matters than some EU member states which I am not going to name. Accept it, if Turkey is not muslim, she was on the board decades ago.

Which EU member states? You cant say it and then not name the country to judge whether you have a valid point or not. While Im sure the muslim thing DOES play into it with *some* in the EU it is foolish to think it is a major or deciding factor. If anything the general cultural difference because Turkey is not a European country (regardless of how you want to sell it) plays more a factor then anything and there is nothing wrong with a union desiring to see it members have a common bond, something Turkey really wouldnt have.

Besides not like Turkey has been rejected but what exactly do you expect? Given the size of Turkey and the number of issues Turkey must address before it meets criteria to join the EU it isnt going to happen overnight. You really think EU is going to rush adding nearly 75million people, shifting the ENTIRE balance of power in the EU quickly?

About US back-stabbing, check latest US senota panel decision.

Its not backstabbing its pointing out and acknowledging something in its past that Turkey itself wont...we did it to Japan as well and they are a closer (and more important) ally of ours.

[Chlodwig I.]

About human rights and economy; Turkey is better on this matters than some EU member states which I am not going to name. Accept it, if Turkey is not muslim, she was on the board decades ago.
About US back-stabbing, check latest US senota panel decision.

The whole thing is only childish and your strange conception of Honor and Pride
If you are always act like a spoiled child when a someone criticizes you,
you only show that your are not "mature" enough to play with the grown ups.
Especially when you react in such way when a close friend and ally is criticizing you.

Considering the EU, after your reaction about the US
I guess you are not in the state to become a EU Member

Do you really understand what joining the EU means?
You would have to give up a big part of your sovereignty to
the EU and to the EU Member-States.

So what would you think when, after you joined the EU,
Greece, Germany, France, Italy and Poland would start to make some new EU-Regulations
that would force you to change some of your Traditions,
Laws etc. in a way you don't want it?

[PointOfViewGun]

The whole thing is only childish and your strange conception of Honor and Pride
If you are always act like a spoiled child when a someone criticizes you,
you only show that your are not "mature" enough to play with the grown ups.
Especially when you react in such way when a close friend and ally is criticizing you.

Don't make it sound like only Turkey shows it's protest in such issues. Any state in the World does this when they're portrayed as the bad guys inaccurately. This notion that only Turkey whines in such situation is BS. So cut the crap.

[Thorn777]

Saying the EU doesn't want Turkey in just because it's population is muslim is a bit over generalizing.

This is correct when speaking for a considerable part of the population.

I'd say it has just as much to do with lack of human rights and an unstable democracy.

This is correct when speaking for the political Establishment and the majority of the population + we got our hand full already + bordering Iraq, Syria and Iran raises some concerns + the intire Kurdish issue.

@OP

Good luck with Russia.

[Adar]

The problem is that Turkey is a large (relatively) poor country with an unstable democratic tradition. The EU simply doesn't have the funds to economically support Turkey as a member of the EU.

It should also be noted that popular support for EU is very low in many nations. Expanding the EU with a nation the size of Turkey is likely to increase this resentment. Many people (like me) wouldn't exactly be unhappy if we booted out nations like Greece out of the EU and Bulgaria due to corruption and lack of proper management. So adding another problem to the EU just won't help.

Turkey is an ally and I definately support a close EU-Turkey cooperation but I don't think that Turkey would fit into the EU structure unless we seriously reformed the Union.

[white-wolf]

Turkey is an ally and I definately support a close EU-Turkey cooperation but I don't think that Turkey would fit into the EU structure unless we seriously reformed the Union.

That is similar to saying; my dog is good while it is licking under of my shoe and protecting my door, but I do not want it inside of my house.

[Thorn777]

That is similar to saying; my dog is good while it is licking under of my shoe and protecting my door, but I do not want it inside of my house.

Thats like completely avoiding a series of good arguments why the situation is as it is without wrongfully labeling your allies as Islamophobes.

[Adar]

That is similar to saying; my dog is good while it is licking under of my shoe and protecting my door, but I do not want it inside of my house.

I have many female friends, I do however only sleep with my girlfriend.

I think that is a better analogy.

[s.rwitt]

About US back-stabbing, check latest US senota panel decision.

You mean back stabbing like when the US refused to let you use their territory to help out in their war? Wait....no...that was Turkey that did that to the US.

Now you're butthurt over the US calling a genocide a genocide. Well boo-****ing-hoo, Turkey can do what it wants. Allying with the disaster of a country that is Russia is certainly not going to hurt the US.

BTW: Of course Turkey's not European, are you serious? "We are European, but we are also Asian"...no you aren't. You're asian. Deal with it.

[white-wolf]

I respect your thoughts about the issue. My thoughts are as I declared.

Please cast your vote.

[justicar5]

Since EU does not accept Turkey as a member because of her population is muslim, and US (strategic partner and ally of Turkey) is back-stabbing, Turkey has no future with the western world. Instead, Turkey must be ally of Russia, I think.

What is your idea about that?

Turkey has been told what standards it has to meet to get into the EU, improve it's human rights record and stabalise it's democracy.


http://www.eutcc.org/articles/6/document388.ehtml

[s.rwitt]

I respect your thoughts about the issue. My thoughts are as I declared.

Please cast your vote.

I'll answer your poll when you include a "No one cares, Turkey can do whatever it wants" option.

[white-wolf]

I'll answer your poll when you include a "No one cares, Turkey can do whatever it wants" option.

Sorry, can not change options. May be mods be kind and add it?

[Thorn777]

voted stay