Give money to buy historic book for CA

Well, it seems CA never open a history book, so i have to collect funds and send a book to CA !
Some examples about CA ignorance :

-Prussian Musketeers had bicorne
-Prussian fusiliers were not skirmishers
-Prussian Cuirassiers have no .....cuirasse !
-Many Cuirassiers from various country had only a front cuirasse. They ignore that.
-All Prussian infantry looks like clone
-No Brunswick soldiers in campaign !
-No Brunswick country on campaign map
-Grenadiers didnt use grenades since 1750 !
-France and Saxony should be allied, at least in campaign beginning
-Why no Polish faction ? Emergeant poland is unrealistic because between 1806 and 1814 100.000 Polish fight in Napoleon Army with their own uniforms and commander.
-Dragoons, cuirassiers should use pistols and even, all cavalry units had pistols/short carabine
-No Rank fire, no mass fire, no comment.............
-Prussian, Russian flags are absolutely wrong
-Russian militia units should be larger and with pikes instead of guns. Many of them had not any guns.
-Lot of wrong shako and shako plates !
-No soldiers from protectorate. Napoleon invade Russia with 600.000 soldiers, only
200.000 from France. Others were given in tribute by country under Napoleonic domination. There were Prussian or Austrian soldiers in this army !
-Spain and France stay allied ! seems CA have never hear about Spanish war. 100.000 French soldiers fight in Spain untill the 1814 defeat. Without this war Napoleon would have accomplished Russian campaign or at least, win the Leipzig battle.



To be continued.............

Give money to buy historic book for CA

No F.....way
I think they will earn enought money to buy a book

Edit bought a book last week around 35 pound sterling, and iam out of work atm

Originally Posted by James Cook

No F.....way
I think they will earn enought money to buy a book

Edit bought a book last week around 35 pound sterling, and iam out of work atm

haha yeah one or two books

The bit with the cuirass may actually be accurate. I know Russian cuirassiers didn't wear a cuirass between 1805 and 1812. Perhaps the Prussians followed that trend? Although they're mostly using late-war models...

I've detailed various other issues with the Russian uniforms in the mod workshop, anyway...and I'm sure everybody is tired of hearing me complain about the stat issues by now.

The map of Eastern Europe is messed up, though. What map where they looking at?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._of_Poland.png

As much as i agree that there needs to be closer observation of histories in some areas i have to say i'm more interested in the game and how it plays than uniform or even army make-up specifics.

Better ranged lethality scaling on muskets, non pivoting motorboat ships and more realistic movement rates (combined with a faster time accelerator) would make the game more historical and, at the same time, improve gameplay. If it takes shoving history books down CA's throats to acheive this then great but i'm not going to flip out over hats until the core game is so good that only the frippery matters.

-Why no Polish faction ?

By my understanding Poland had been completely dismantled by Prussia, Russia, and Austria. \

-Dragoons, cuirassiers should use pistols and even

Perhaps, but that would be another relatively minor thing to code, and dragoons already fire their guns on the move anyway.

-Russian militia units should be larger

Why? At this point in time Russia's population was not limitless. France has a much larger population.

-No Rank fire, no mass fire

It makes battles run a hell of a lot better, and allows units to fire as fast as possible. I don't miss the old fire drills personally, they were one of the reasons Empire's battles were so clunky.

-No soldiers from protectorate.

Why? That defeats half of the purpose of releasing protectorates. If your point is to make those given units faction-specific I would wholeheartedly agree.

Most of the rest is fashion stuff, which I personally don't care much for, or I agree like the flags issue.

Add one: Russia's capital should be St. Petersburg. CA has no excuse this time, though at least we're not building the Winter Palace in Moscow

Originally Posted by DarkArk

Why? At this point in time Russia's population was not limitless. France has a much larger population.

No it wasnt, not in this timeframe, Russian population was the largest in Europe

Originally Posted by DarkArk

By my understanding Poland had been completely dismantled by Prussia, Russia, and Austria. \



Perhaps, but that would be another relatively minor thing to code, and dragoons already fire their guns on the move anyway.

Why? At this point in time Russia's population was not limitless. France has a much larger population.

It makes battles run a hell of a lot better, and allows units to fire as fast as possible. I don't miss the old fire drills personally, they were one of the reasons Empire's battles were so clunky.

Why? That defeats half of the purpose of releasing protectorates. If your point is to make those given units faction-specific I would wholeheartedly agree.

Most of the rest is fashion stuff, which I personally don't care much for, or I agree like the flags issue.

Add one: Russia's capital should be St. Petersburg. CA has no excuse this time, though at least we're not building the Winter Palace in Moscow

Regarding the population of Russia vs France your comment is incorrect - Russia = 38 millions, France = 29 millions

Originally Posted by DarkArk

By my understanding Poland had been completely dismantled by Prussia, Russia, and Austria. \



Perhaps, but that would be another relatively minor thing to code, and dragoons already fire their guns on the move anyway.

Why? At this point in time Russia's population was not limitless. France has a much larger population.


It makes battles run a hell of a lot better, and allows units to fire as fast as possible. I don't miss the old fire drills personally, they were one of the reasons Empire's battles were so clunky.

Why? That defeats half of the purpose of releasing protectorates. If your point is to make those given units faction-specific I would wholeheartedly agree.

Most of the rest is fashion stuff, which I personally don't care much for, or I agree like the flags issue.

Add one: Russia's capital should be St. Petersburg. CA has no excuse this time, though at least we're not building the Winter Palace in Moscow

Uhm.

Russia had a larger population than France at this time.

i have to say i'm more interested in the game and how it plays than uniform or even army make-up specifics.

I agree

and hopefull the units will come later in form of a mod of somekind

There are grounds for contention here.

I am no uniform fanatic so if the stats reflect a historical ability, what ever that may be I am fairly satisfied.

But the is a lot of ground covered there.

I know that everyone thinks their favorite unit is underpowered while everyone else’s favorite unit is overpowered but a lot of units are missing abilities and a few have abilities they shouldn’t.

I have yet to play every faction in NTW so I will cite a few cases from ETW.

IRL Austrian Jägers had about 40% of the troops equipped with rifles. ETW had this in 1.1 but after that not only did Austrian Jägers lack rifles, the whole faction did and they never had a standard rifle unit again. Where as Prussia did even though they didn’t use rifles until well after 1800.

Dragoons not only carried their clunky muskets but they had a set of two horse pistols so they got in two close range shots when charging or in melee.

There are plenty of other examples but no need to go into all of them here.

Just that the bottom line is that they don’t pay a lot of attention to what was historic in terms of capabilities and if they are called on it the standard reply is not; Oh we didn’t know, they say play balance.

That is bogus! And if they can’t get weapons right why worry about the clothes they are wearing?

Originally Posted by Red Hue

There are grounds for contention here.

I am no uniform fanatic so if the stats reflect a historical ability, what ever that may be I am fairly satisfied.

But the is a lot of ground covered there.

I know that everyone thinks their favorite unit is underpowered while everyone else’s favorite unit is overpowered but a lot of units are missing abilities and a few have abilities they shouldn’t.

I have yet to play every faction in NTW so I will cite a few cases from ETW.

IRL Austrian Jägers had about 40% of the troops equipped with rifles. ETW had this in 1.1 but after that not only did Austrian Jägers lack rifles, the whole faction did and they never had a standard rifle unit again. Where as Prussia did even though they didn’t use rifles until well after 1800.

Dragoons not only carried their clunky muskets but they had a set of two horse pistols so they got in two close range shots when charging or in melee.

There are plenty of other examples but no need to go into all of them here.

Just that the bottom line is that they don’t pay a lot of attention to what was historic in terms of capabilities and if they are called on it the standard reply is not; Oh we didn’t know, they say play balance.

That is bogus! And if they can’t get weapons right why worry about the clothes they are wearing?

you will find that for the purpose of game play they will do various things intentionally,like omit pistols from various units not only for unit differentiation,for it could obsolete and make useless the idea of shooter based cavalry,but also lead to strange ai behavior as they attempt to use Cuirassiers as Skirmisher cavalry and never actually attempt to charge home.It makies perfect sense from here..and also,as they stated,they attempted to render the game and units in the style that is most recognizable to casual and hardcore fans of the era,therefore the question must be posed,how often do you actually read about the inclusion of the cavalry pistols for Dragoons and Cuirassiers unless you are actively looking for a listing of their equipment,as well when you do find them referenced it is usually speaking about how they hardly ever used them...when we expect too much we are happy with nothing..I am a diligent student of the Napoleonic Wars,attend lectures,read books,correspond with the experts in the field,so I understand and know much about what is accurate and what isnt,but I also understand the limitations of a video game,and Hell,I am just glad someone actually made a Napoleonic game that renders real time battles rather than grid based maps and abstract military figures...I give CA an A for effort...too many people are digging for things to complain about...remember guys,CA is comprised of people that want to make a cool video game vaguely based on an era of history,they are not and never claimed to be experts in military history on loan from Sandhurts that attempt to tell the truth and history of the era they are attempting to represent.this is their best effort to date as far as attempting to make the game as accurate as they can,even going as far as making the unusable minor factions as accurate as they are able,but no one wants to mention that,no,instead people want to complain about what they may have overlooked or chosen not to include,no matter how minor,instead of recognising their exemplary effort in this area...

From what I understand from my sources(Digby Smith,David Chandler,John Keegan,Jeremy Black)The Prussian Cuirassiers did indeed not have Cuirasses at this time,In accordance to Digby Smith"Prussian Cuirassier Regiments had Abandoned their armour by 1790"therefore their keeping the title was for the purposes of tradition and distinction as heavy cavalry.The model they are using for the Prussian Cuirassier is the 1806 uniform,that replaced the bicorne hat with the Crested Helmet.

And as well the infantry model they are using for the Prussians is also from 1806 onward,when the bicorne hats were replaced with Shakos.As CA has pointed out they opted to use the uniforms that were in effect for the majority of the timespan that encompasses the respective campaigns,in this case from 1805 to 1813 the 1806 patterns are the logical choice.I think we should give them a little slack for they certainly tried harder than they ever have before to retain historical accuracy as far as uniforms and unit composition goes,even as far as making the minor factions as accurate and unique as possible.Dont get me wrong,I am as fanatical as the next guy when it comes to proper representation,But I really appreciate the extent they went to for accuracy this time around,which is light years beyond Empire

Originally Posted by OneManShow

-No Brunswick soldiers in campaign !
-No Brunswick country on campaign map

What is so important on Brunswick? They can´t include every single german or italian state.

Originally Posted by OneManShow

-Why no Polish faction ? Emergeant poland is unrealistic

Because there was no Polish state since 1795.

Originally Posted by DarkArk

Why? At this point in time Russia's population was not limitless. France has a much larger population.

Are you sure? France had nearly 30 million inhabitants. Russia 43 millions.

Originally Posted by Xerrop

What is so important on Brunswick? They can´t include every single german or italian state.



Because there was no Polish state since 1795.



Are you sure? France had nearly 30 million inhabitants. Russia 43 millions.

I agree! So,one book for CA...one book for OneManShow....

"Prussian Fusiliers were not skirmishers"
Again I must correct this thought process,for sources(Jeremy Black,Digby Smith)State otherwise.Uniforms of the Napoleonic Wars,Chapter Prussia page 196 under the header Fusilier battalions.."The fusiliers had shorter muskets than the line infantry" Fusiliers were raised specifically as light infantry" and last but not least "They were trained to Skirmish in open Order".I think CA has done more research on this matter than we want to give them credit for sometimes...

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Originally Posted by OneManShow

-No Brunswick soldiers in campaign !
-No Brunswick country on campaign map

What is so important on Brunswick? They can´t include every single german or italian state.



Because there was no Polish state since 1795.

actually Brunswick is present,it is referred to as Braunschweig.
and yes,Poland was never a faction during this time period,the closest it ever came to autonomy is when it was the Duchy Of warsaw and that was little more than a puppet state...

Waste of time. They know what they left out and you all know it. You have a 20 gb game, and the reason it was only 20 gb was because they fudged corners on a lot of the stuff.

Historical realism is something everyone wants. Until they get it.

Originally Posted by ckangas

Historical realism is something everyone wants. Until they get it.

nah,they always like it,it is just never enough

Originally Posted by Chevalier IX

nah,they always like it,it is just never enough

then why aren't we all playing magna mundi?