What's the point?

[SaDeR]

If there is a God, what is the point of him creating us? Why would he create everything, create all humanity imperfect but he himself is perfect, and then give us free will. Thats like telling a fat child not to eat a jar of cookies that he didn't plan on eating anyway until you told him. Also what was the point of him testing us. Thats like testing a person that is definatley going to fail. Because according to the Bible there were only two perfect humans named Mary and Jesus.

Also I don't get why we have to go to earth, why not just go to Heaven at first. Another thing I don't get in what's the point of all this mindless stupid creation, why did he create anything in the first place. What was he too bored always existing that he said why not screw around with a couple "X"illion people for an "X" amount of time?

[ED.]

maybe he has a sense of humor?

[Norman Bum]

maybe he has a sense of humor?

Maybe the creation of humanity was a prank that was taken too far.

[handsome pete]

Because according to the Bible there were only two perfect humans named Mary and Jesus.

Don't know what Bible you read, even if you have ever read one, because that is not in any Bible I have ever read. Can you elaborate a little more before coming out with such foolish thoughts.

although the bible doesn't say mary was perfect. it does give apostles authority and say that apostles can continue beyond christ, and according to the catholic church the apostles and their succesors held that mary was perfect. so perhaps he's wrong to say that the bible says mary was perfect. but perhaps what he meant was that it provides the tools to deduce that she was perfect.

this isn't an argument about catholic and orthodox belief being right or wrong but it doesn't have to be restricted to a particular interpretation of Christianity.

[swhunter]

The answer is easier than we think.
1# If we believe in a God, which is a positive force. There has to be a negative force also.
2. Why did he create us? To replace the Angels that sinned in his very presence. Including Lucifer and his devils.That is, if you believe what the Old testament speaks about.
3. Why a free will? Because of the very fact of point # 1.
Can we truly believe in something we cant see?
I say ,yes we can. I have been told all of my life about the wind. You cant see it,but you can experience it, by how it reacts to the objects surrounding it.
4. I been told of the Uk, but I never ever saw it. But with knowledge of pictures, the net, examples from others that told me it was there.
So isn't that faith? Believing something that you physically cant touch, or see, just as the wind. Faith just means steadfastness in the Greek. And Hebrew.

It's like a relationship with someone. Would you really want that person to accept you in a free will? Or a forced.
God knew the outcome of everything, and he wasn't going to push his will. But prepared a plan. A Blueprint, his son to be made from a Woman which in generations to come would point to Christ. The only firstborn of God.
Why did he create you?
Ask your self this, why where you born. your parents made that free will. So you could also.
I wrote a book also , you might be interested in. called
Beyond Paradise. It's book just recently published.
The story of our Ultimate redemption.

Your questions are very valuable! And should be answered.
God's Word does have to answer. After all you have a free will.

[Fiyenyaa]

The answer is easier than we think.
1# If we believe in a God, which is a positive force. There has to be a negative force also.

This falls down on the first point. A simple rebuttal - why?
Why does an all-poweful force for good neccesarily need something to counter it?

[swhunter]

This falls down on the first point. A simple rebuttal - why?
Why does an all-poweful force for good neccesarily need something to counter it?

Answer is simple.
In science you have positive neutrons and negative neutrons.
What holds them together? The nucleus Just as Gravity is kept in balance in our solar system.
It doesn't need it is the point. But allows it.
We have the same freedom to run that red traffic light or face the results.
Evil was created by him so we wouldn't be mindless robots.
So we can chose right from wrong.
If anyone has children they understand that is love.
Not restrictions.

[Fiyenyaa]

Answer is simple.
In science you have positive neutrons and negative neutrons.
What holds them together? The nucleus Just as Gravity is kept in balance in our solar system.
It doesn't need it is the point. But allows it.
We have the same freedom to run that red traffic light or face the results.
Evil was created by him so we wouldn't be mindless robots.
So we can chose right from wrong.
If anyone has children they understand that is love.
Not restrictions.

I think you'll find that if god is all-powerful, there are no neccesary rules he needs to follow. There is nothing to stop god creating a universe where evil does not exist yet we still have freewill - and all-powerful being could do this.

[swhunter]

I think you'll find that if god is all-powerful, there are no neccesary rules he needs to follow. There is nothing to stop god creating a universe where evil does not exist yet we still have freewill - and all-powerful being could do this.

TBH. He has to follow his own rules.
If you like read Gen.
He said he put his Word higher than his name.
But he created all things through a view of his son.
Thanks for the reply.

[empr guy]

In science you have positive neutrons and negative neutrons.

is it just me, or is a nuetron with a charge a logically impossible thing?



still, can never really be a point to anything on the large scale, i mean, whats the point of god existing? to create stuff? why?

[gambit]

The answer is easier than we think.
1# If we believe in a God, which is a positive force. There has to be a negative force also.

You're so sure he's a positive force are you? Its written that he's destroyed just as readily as he's created.

2. Why did he create us? To replace the Angels that sinned in his very presence. Including Lucifer and his devils.That is, if you believe what the Old testament speaks about.

This confuses me a bit. God smote the Devil and he fell, God rained brimstone on sodom and gomorra when they got a little nasty in the pantsy, He flooded and nearly destroyed all life on earth save for enough people to star in a sit-com. he supposedly did the last two to discipline us to help us, and it shows he clearly has no qualms with exterminating life so why didnt he just start over again when adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit and made us forever imperfect? Ive seen middle schoolers drawing pictures and when they the picture up what do they do? start over again

Can we truly believe in something we cant see?
I say ,yes we can. I have been told all of my life about the wind. You cant see it,but you can experience it, by how it reacts to the objects surrounding it.
4. I been told of the Uk, but I never ever saw it. But with knowledge of pictures, the net, examples from others that told me it was there.
So isn't that faith? Believing something that you physically cant touch, or see, just as the wind. Faith just means steadfastness in the Greek. And Hebrew.

That's a pretty weak analogy. You know about the UK because the people who told you have been to the UK

It's like a relationship with someone. Would you really want that person to accept you in a free will? Or a forced.
God knew the outcome of everything, and he wasn't going to push his will. But prepared a plan. A Blueprint, his son to be made from a Woman which in generations to come would point to Christ. The only firstborn of God.
Why did he create you?
Ask your self this, why where you born. your parents made that free will. So you could also.
I wrote a book also , you might be interested in. called
Beyond Paradise. It's book just recently published.
The story of our Ultimate redemption.

Your questions are very valuable! And should be answered.
God's Word does have to answer. After all you have a free will.

If it was a relationship of free will we'd get to choose to be involved with him at all.

[swhunter]

You're so sure he's a positive force are you? Its written that he's destroyed just as readily as he's created.

This confuses me a bit. God smote the Devil and he fell,
Well he didn't smote the devil, the devil rebelled against authority.
Lucifer had a free will and fought against his will.
And cast him into the earths atmosphere.


God rained brimstone on sodom and gomorra when they got a little nasty in the pantsy,

In scripture it wasn't because they were gay. This was the problem
By tells us in Ezek. 16/49-50 49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
51Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done. 52Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

He flooded and nearly destroyed all life on earth save for enough people to star in a sit-com.

Yet he warned the world 120 years before it happened.
There could been more arks if they wanted.


he supposedly did the last two to discipline us to help us, and it shows he clearly has no qualms with exterminating life so why didnt he just start over again when adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit and made us forever imperfect? Ive seen middle schoolers drawing pictures and when they the picture up what do they do? start over again

That's a pretty weak analogy. You know about the UK because the people who told you have been to the UK

If it was a relationship of free will we'd get to choose to be involved with him at all.

Have you ever cut off dead branches off a tree or a plant?
If you don't, it will not allow growth. Even nature shows us that.
Why cut off a limb that has gang green?
The only reason God allows this, so it will not spread to corrupt others.

Your last answer is true.
I agree.

[Dracula]

If there is a God, what is the point of him creating us? Why would he create everything, create all humanity imperfect but he himself is perfect, and then give us free will. Thats like telling a fat child not to eat a jar of cookies that he didn't plan on eating anyway until you told him. Also what was the point of him testing us. Thats like testing a person that is definatley going to fail. Because according to the Bible there were only two perfect humans named Mary and Jesus.

Also I don't get why we have to go to earth, why not just go to Heaven at first. Another thing I don't get in what's the point of all this mindless stupid creation, why did he create anything in the first place. What was he too bored always existing that he said why not screw around with a couple "X"illion people for an "X" amount of time?

The christian dogma is that the first man, Adam /and posteriorly Eve/ was perfect. He was more perfect than the H.Virgin and Jesus in his human part. By perfect the church means that he couldn't do evil, desire bad, have suffering and die, kind of was god by grace of the only God.

The creation took place just because god wanted to share the Good of existance and the benefit of living and the good life with somebody else, not a man, but in the creator's original design - a son of god in flesh, god's image in another form but still his son; and friend. So that all those things - the good, the love, the existance, the virtues and all they perfect would exist.

That man chose to disbelieve god or rather disobey his only order /by this time/ for the apple brought a change in the creation which resulted in the present life. In it man was stripped of everything divine, given to the evil, susceptible to all destruction and made more material than he initially was. Yet still able to desire good and strive for a better change and for perfection.

What's the point ? Well man just became what he is today against the will of god. Who started doing inperfect things had to become inperfect. Yet a chance and ability to get and achieve again the originall and even better perfection was left, for those who now /in this world - by their own will/ -will desire it. So he actually passing through a period of catharsis will become better than he is and than he ever was in the end.

[swhunter]

The christian dogma is that the first man, Adam /and posteriorly Eve/ was perfect. He was more perfect than the H.Virgin and Jesus in his human part. By perfect the church means that he couldn't do evil, desire bad, have suffering and die, kind of was god by grace of the only God.

The creation took place just because god wanted to share the Good of existance and the benefit of living and the good life with somebody else, not a man, but in the creator's original design - a son of god in flesh, god's image in another form but still his son; and friend. So that all those things - the good, the love, the existance, the virtues and all they perfect would exist.

That man chose to disbelieve god or rather disobey his only order /by this time/ for the apple brought a change in the creation which resulted in the present life. In it man was stripped of everything divine, given to the evil, susceptible to all destruction and made more material than he initially was. Yet still able to desire good and strive for a better change and for perfection.

What's the point ? Well man just became what he is today against the will of god. Who started doing inperfect things had to become inperfect. Yet a chance and ability to get and achieve again the originall and even better perfection was left, for those who now /in this world - by their own will/ -will desire it. So he actually passing through a period of catharsis will become better than he is and than he ever was in the end.

That is true!
But the word perfect doesn't mean perfection.
In Hebrew it means just complete. They had what was given to him nothing more.
Adam and eve chose that decision with a free will.

[removeduser_487563287433]

There is no point. All human endevour is ultimately vain. But so what?

[swhunter]

There is no point. All human endevour is ultimately vain. But so what?

True.
One man brought the fullness of truth. If we wish to hear it.
The only firstborn of God, Jesus.

[removeduser_487563287433]

True.
One man brought the fullness of truth. If we wish to hear it.
The only firstborn of God, Jesus.

The transparent nonsense of the sentiment aside isn't the phrase "only firstborn" a bit of a tautology?

[swhunter]

Working right now, good questions.
Reply later Gam.
thanks

[Arch-hereticK]

The point of this universe is every action has an equal and opposite reaction. God created us so therefore..............................

[43rdFoot]

The point of being is simply to be. There is no rhyme or reason, we are just at the end of a chain of chemical reactions that have been going on since the beginning of the universe.


Ultimately, everything will end. But after that I imagine it will start again.




The beat goes on.