Well there are many cultures in Anatolia, but I'm going to put up the Greek stuff. The music of Aegean and Pontian Greeks.
Recently I have been very much interested in past and minorities of Turkey.(I actually believe that the people of Turkey are the continuation of the previous cultures mixed with some Turkic elements at certain parts)
So here are some Rebetiko stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rembetiko
Rembetiko is a mixture of Greek and Turkish music...it's origins as far as I know goes back to Greeks of coastal Aegean cities, especially to Smyrna(İzmir). As you know, Orthodox Christian Greeks were sent to Greece during the population exchange. But their culture and music still remains in the spirit of Turkish Aegea.
Next, there is Pontus. The northeast of Turkey. A great geography with mixture of various cultures. I am of Pontian origin myself. The three main groups of the region were Turkmens, Pontian Greeks and the Laz people.
Sadly, the last 2 are diminishing fast with the losing of language.
According to official records, there are no Greeks in this region becuase of the population exchange. And there were the massacares in the western Pontus(aroundSinop, Samsun)
But many actually hid their identities and came to this day. It is known that the region did not get many migration as well. So the people of the region are actually of Greek origin(especially Trebizond) but Turkified due to conversion to Islam at some point in history. The language and culture still remained...but today, the speakers of Pontian Greek are very few.(I was there and stayed at 4 century old Pontian house with a very old Greek couple) And the language is dying out with television and Turkish government "not helping"
But the language still lives in certain folk music of the region
^this one is in Turkish but like I said, it is a mixture of cultures. And Fuat Saka is of Greek origin. The instrument you see in this video is Kemençe/Lyra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemenche#Pontic_kemenche
and then there are the Laz. Laz language is also diminishing. Most of the Laz people are villagers, and the langauage is only spoken there. My grandmother for instance.....but majority of the Laz are not aware of the situation sadly. An example is my father who did not learn the language.....and never encouraged me to learn as well.
The instrument of the Laz people is the "Tulum". Similar to Gaelic bagpipe
Tulum starts at 24th second
and then there are the Hemshin people living in Pontus. Islamified long ago, it is thought that they are Armenians. They have a different language and are heavily influenced by the Pontian cultures
and let me add one in Turkish
and then there is the dance of Pontian region called horon and there are many different versions. Horon is common in Turkey and Greece.
this is a bit fast one, done by professional dancers
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Forgotten cultures of Anatolia living in music
Last edited by dogukan; March 05, 2010 at 12:14 PM.
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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I think its safe to say, after watching those clips, I don't care for Greek/Turkish influenced music.
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but the clips were not he point
clips and the comments below are totally different thing I did not even care about
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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ah another good example..notice the Muslim name the guy has
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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Nice finds.
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One thing i want to know if there is rebetiko in Turkey now
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not in the whole of country...but for a person who lives in Aegea, and especially for people who go to Aegea for summer vacations(like me) this genre is not new at all. In fact I did not even know this was a Greek music when I was much much younger. We had a summer house in Aivalia/Ayvalık, the are is full of tavernas. You can even listen to Greek music from the islands, raido gets the signals easily.
Originally Posted by jo the greek
SO it was not new to me when I first found out.
there are pieces that have Turkish versions like this
it is not common, but it is not new to a lot of Turks. SO yes, there is rembetiko in Turkey. Older people are more common with this genre though."Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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Originally Posted by dogukan
yeah! 
Knowledge is a deadly friend, if no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see, is in the hands of fools - King Crimson's Epitaph.
תחי מדינת ישראל
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5g6C_SB4I
You've probably heard of Yeni Turku, a band who specialise in Aegean and Black sea (sounding) music. They've done quite a few covers of Greek songs in Turkish. I like them, because they help to show how intertwined Greek and Turkish culture has become over the centuries, especially in the west of anatolia. Also, my dad used to be part of the group! -
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hah, of course I do. Originally Posted by Ozzmosis
thanks for sharing
and while at it, I think I should add some more songs. These are from a recent documentary called "lost songs of anatolia"
I must say it was an awesome musical documentary.
A poem of the creater of the Mevlevi sect, Mevlana Celaleddin-i Rumi and his most famous poem. In Farsi
a Kurdish Dengbej. Always that painfull, difficult life Kurds live have made them produce these
and the trailer of the documentary
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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Pretty kick ass. Any idea what drums are being played in the Laz one?
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That Kurdish Dengbej sounds a lot like some Native American music.
You posted this song awhile back:
http://www.izlesene.com/video/amator...flerin/1870599
What's it about and who sings it?
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It is a Barak Türkmen song. Barak Turkmens live in Gaziantep and Kilis area. And that sort of singing is called Barak Havası.
The guy's name is Mehmet Demir, although the song is anonymous. And I am not sure what its about either. It's a different Turkish
But some words give a clue that it is about a marriage/woman.
and that song freaking takes me into depths of Anatolia, to centuries, thousands of years ago."Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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If the Turks stayed in the Steppes, maybe there'd be more of that wonderful native Anatolian music to go around.
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Naaa, a lot of the music is still alive. I can give you thousands of examples from most of the cultures that lived in Anatolia...but most people do not care much about ethnic stuff...sooo Originally Posted by Tajir
If the Turks stayed in the Steppes, maybe there'd be more of that wonderful native Anatolian music to go around.
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Also, invasion of Turkics actually brought a lot of things as well. And created a very unique Eurasian culture.
I for instance, love the Turkmen songs(anonymous folk songs)..some of the are centuries old, and yet they still have great literature value. A very cool Turkish in my opinion. That last song I talk about for instance...it is a very different but cool way of telling something.
The Armenian, Georgian, Greek and most others lived on. Not only that, but despite the lack of existance of these culture's names, they are still, VERY significant in Turkey's culture. Every region is different.
Another Türkmen song from Denizli
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/17q399
Another Kurdish Dengbej
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ah3pn
Laz(also my ethnic background)
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ahl63
Kurdish music-lyrics in mostly Turkish(example to mix of cultures)
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ah2p3
Georgian from Artvin region
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ah2pf
Greek from Trebizond
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ah2pe
Alevi-kind of a religious song
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1aitbj
Hemşin(unknown origin people, thought to be northern Armenians) song
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1agwf1
Turkish Sufi(13th centuıry)-instrument, NEY dates back to Babylonians
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ai3ek
Armenian
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1aj8md
Ottomanish with Arabic insturment Oud
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1f9y6a
Another Türkmen(Yörük) anonymous
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1f9y68
Another Pontic Greek(I met the guy)
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ahpyw
From the same guy, a song in Turkish
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ahpyq
İstanbul style, in both Turkish and Greek
http://fizy.com/s/1ai78s#s/1ai3ss
ps: Folk music was banned in the earlier days of the republic...To "westernize" the population, classical music was played everywhere. Later, languages except Turkish was forbidden. But lately, there is no more ban on other languages.
one more piece about forced migration of Greeks if I am not mistaken
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"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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It's a shame those last links you posted don't work for people not living in Turkey!
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Originally Posted by dogukan
They work in Germany. You miss something, Ozzimosis. Originally Posted by Ozzmosis
If you're dealing with the devil, it's not the devil who changes, but rather the devil change you - for sanity is like a spider, sitting in a net woven from the finest of strings, unaware of the hand coming closer, being grabbed and stuffed into a mouth.
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ooooops then
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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Really cool finds Dogu! Thanks.
