Other "Koshers"?

[cfmonkey45]

Are there other non-Abrahamic religions, "living" or "dead", that emphasize similar religious cleanliness and strict morals?

[Banana Jelly]

bhuddism

[removeduser_052420]

Jainism, Sikhism.

[vopohame]

Most native american religions have various forms of cleanliness and taboo's related to food and lifestyle.

My tribe for instance, some random customs and laws

All food has to be cooked.

No pig meat as it is a white mans animal and they link pig meat to white men being crazy lol.

Women must be in a menstrual lodge during that time of the month and she must not touch a ceremonial object or anything belonging to a man as it is believed her power will drain the man's power.

Sweat lodge is a physical and spiritual cleansing ceremony before you do any other ceremonial event and also used for daily health practices that is used in conjunction with bathing.

Women must be chaste until marriage which is the physical act of sex so there technically isnt such a thing as premarital sex. Courtship may last 4 years or more which is done publically and with a chaperone. They also wear chasity belts.

Women must wear modest clothing and have a prayer shawl for their head during ceremonies.
After a man has a child he must abstain from sex with his wife for 7 years.

Following punished by excommunication or banishment
No adultery
No lying
No killing even in self defense--abortion is also considered murder
No gossiping

[cfmonkey45]

What tribe are you from?

[vopohame]

Cheyenne

[Banana Jelly]

Cheyenne

Sorry if Im being ignorant, but are you a nomad? What do you mean by "tribe", do you and your tribe live door to door, in house's?

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

It's likely they live on a reservation. Native Americans, at least in the US, if they still exist or care live in reservations and have houses/towns/villages etc. I hope that didn't sound offensive. lol.

[removeduser_052420]

Well idk that much about native americans, but they were a lot cleaner than the original settlers that came to America.

[vopohame]

There are 20,000 Cheyenne today and about 12,000 live on or near the reservations about half that number are considered traditional ie still practicing the traditional religion.

Some current notable cheyenne are Ben Nighthorse Campbell a US senator from Colorado and Richard West a recent Smithsonian Director.

[removeduser_052420]

There are 20,000 Cheyenne today and about 12,000 live on or near the reservations about half that number are considered traditional ie still practicing the traditional religion.

Some current notable cheyenne are Ben Nighthorse Campbell a US senator from Colorado and Richard West a recent Smithsonian Director.

so putting "nighthorse" as your middle name makes you native american? Why not have an actual native american name?

[vopohame]

No Nighthorse is his grandfather who fought at little big horn. Cheyennes were originally forced to take white names my last name is holmes but I have no connection to britain.

[Sphere]

so putting "nighthorse" as your middle name makes you native american? Why not have an actual native american name?

Native American culture didn't stop changing when Europeans landed. Native American culture has continued to evolve like all cultures up to the present day. "Actual" or "Real" Native American culture doesn't exist in the way that most people like to think of it, i.e. its not like some display in a museum, its a living breathing, evolving thing.

[cfmonkey45]

My curiosity in creating this thread essentially stemmed from a curiosity in anthropology. I was looking over the Jewish Kosher, and I had wondered if similar ones had been formulated. In my mind, comparative religion and anthropology might give insight to how these belief systems arose.

[vopohame]

cfmonkey45

cool, cheyenne's ceremonies mostly revolved around making the world whole again from disease or sin.

Arrow Renewal Ceremony focused on the covenant between the Cheyenne and Maheo'o their God. It was to restore their relationship with Maheo'o if one Cheyenne committed a crime against another.

The sun dance or in cheyenne world view was called the new life lodge or earth renewal ceremony. If a cheyenne committed a crime this ceremony was to restore the earth from dying and ironically had nothing to do with the sun.

The massaum ceremony was the cheyenne pre-collective hunt ritual as no hunting was allowed on an individual level. Success in hunting was predetermined by calling all the animals to be hunted into a 100 mile long funnel to the kill zone. Animals were viewed to agree to be killed so you had to petition to them to ask for their agreement to be eaten so to speak.

The sweat lodge ceremony was performed before these ceremonies to purify one spiritually and physically for these ceremonies and also to cleanse oneself after war and/or before war, healing etc etc.

Then each man had his own power rituals that he performed based on his visions.


Cheyenne world view
Maheo'o--God who had 3 powers life, order and power

Maheyeno--Under Maheo'o were 4 powers that carried out the order of Maheo'o and controlled the affairs of earth

Maiyun--were the many spirit beings that served as intermediaries between Maheo'o and humans

Vehoe'e was the trickster or the anti-god that tricked and deceived humans into committing error or crime

Mistai were evil spirits that caused trouble throughout the world

The Cheyenne Universe contained 7 levels of spiritual and physical planes of existence and the soul would go the place of the dead after death but occasionally by choice return.

Every physical thing had a spiritual counterpart which is where the pantheistic crap comes in but addressing a spirit does not mean worship of one.

Cheyenne concern was living a life of balance and harmony with each other and the universe which required rigid codes of conduct that many refered to them as the Spartan's on the plains because they shunned excess, rigid sexual codes, extolled modest behaviors and expected high physical and mental standards from their males.

cfmonkey45 Hope this makes sense if you have more questions feel free to ask.

[Banana Jelly]

cfmonkey45

cool, cheyenne's ceremonies mostly revolved around making the world whole again from disease or sin.

Arrow Renewal Ceremony focused on the covenant between the Cheyenne and Maheo'o their God. It was to restore their relationship with Maheo'o if one Cheyenne committed a crime against another.

The sun dance or in cheyenne world view was called the new life lodge or earth renewal ceremony. If a cheyenne committed a crime this ceremony was to restore the earth from dying and ironically had nothing to do with the sun.

The massaum ceremony was the cheyenne pre-collective hunt ritual as no hunting was allowed on an individual level. Success in hunting was predetermined by calling all the animals to be hunted into a 100 mile long funnel to the kill zone. Animals were viewed to agree to be killed so you had to petition to them to ask for their agreement to be eaten so to speak.

The sweat lodge ceremony was performed before these ceremonies to purify one spiritually and physically for these ceremonies and also to cleanse oneself after war and/or before war, healing etc etc.

Then each man had his own power rituals that he performed based on his visions.


Cheyenne world view
Maheo'o--God who had 3 powers life, order and power

Maheyeno--Under Maheo'o were 4 powers that carried out the order of Maheo'o and controlled the affairs of earth

Maiyun--were the many spirit beings that served as intermediaries between Maheo'o and humans

Vehoe'e was the trickster or the anti-god that tricked and deceived humans into committing error or crime

Mistai were evil spirits that caused trouble throughout the world

The Cheyenne Universe contained 7 levels of spiritual and physical planes of existence and the soul would go the place of the dead after death but occasionally by choice return.

Every physical thing had a spiritual counterpart which is where the pantheistic crap comes in but addressing a spirit does not mean worship of one.

Cheyenne concern was living a life of balance and harmony with each other and the universe which required rigid codes of conduct that many refered to them as the Spartan's on the plains because they shunned excess, rigid sexual codes, extolled modest behaviors and expected high physical and mental standards from their males.

cfmonkey45 Hope this makes sense if you have more questions feel free to ask.

why is there no info on these god's on google?

[vopohame]

different methods of spelling, the cheyenne language hasnt been standardized yet, were still arguing on which standardization to formally adopt. Try Maheo the 2nd o is only heard by a cheyenne speaker an english speaker would not notice it.

[vopohame]

The best outside cheyenne source is an anthropologist Karl Schlesier who wrote Wolves of Heaven. He is the only white man that has been allowed to enter the Holy of Holies so to speak and converse with the priesthood. He was granted access that even most cheyennes have not been involved in.

All other anthropologists were limited in some form or another or simply made up stuff they didnt know, the ones from the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

[Banana Jelly]

i thought the official religion was christianity?

[removeduser_052420]

It's sad that many Native Amerians have pretty much given up their culture and adopted white names and such.