Merguen-,dismounted Khorchi archers

[PlautusLeo]

Merguen-,dismounted Khorchi archers
In discription it says Merguen archers are the masters of the masters and noone can fly their arrows truer and farther.
But the truth is, dismounted khorchi have much higher range:
stat_pri 6, 2, elite_mass_composite_arrow, 210 (range)

Merguen only:
stat_pri 6, 2, exceptional_composite_arrow, 170 (range)


Merguen even cost more than dis.khorchi archers. So what is the point of that?
I also checked exceptional_composite_arrow,elite_mass_composite_arrow in projectile text file
and I saw that elite_mass_composite_arrow has much more accuracy.
That means Dismounted Khorchis shoot farther and more precisely!!!

Is that a mistake? If not whats the point of paying more money for worse units?

thank you for all comments

[gluteus maximus aurelius]

I think you should probably post this in the correct submod forum rather than the main SS forum.

[Caesar Clivus]

Plautus I have repeatedly told you to post questions about RR/RC in the RR/RC forum. Please do so.

The unit descriptions are from Rusichi Total War.

[Point Blank]

Merguen are skirmishers, Khorchi are missile archers. Use that as a starting point for a search, its been asked multiple times.

[PlautusLeo]

skirmishers???? like javelins?
Anyway I dont get the point why they are expansiver than dismounted khorchis. WOuld be nice to tell me, why good units are cheaper than worse.

[Point Blank]

Yawn

[Gorrrrrn]

PB - PL is trying.

[Point Blank]

Sigh, OK. For a start:

-Bows are divided into 'Missile' and 'Skirmish' types, with their own updated animations
* 'Missile' units shoot faster but with less accuracy to a greater range - these units create a real 'arrow shower' over a wider area
* 'Skirmish' units shoot more slowly but with better accuracy, over direct sights (ie a shorter range). Foot skirmishers are the most accurate archer units

Skirmish units are placed by the formation file out in front of the main battle line and usually skirmish away from danger.

Consider 'Missile' archers as having a lower lethality overall, but that it is applied rapidly due to their faster shooting rate, and skirmish archers a higher total lethality that takes longer to apply.

You really want to have Missile archers shoot into bunched groups of enemy units for maximum effect.

Merguen are 'Exceptional' quality with generally better stats except armor, Khorchi are Elite, ie lower quality, hence the higher cost for Merguen.

There, that's 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back again

[PlautusLeo]

well, the fact is the opposite of what you said. Merguens are worse in melee (cz not effective against armor) and still worse in missile.
And if you still dont believe me, why dont you make a test?
take a group of dis.khorchis and merguen and let them shoot a target

Afterwards check the results. I really wonder why people talk talk talk about something they didnt try out.
You cant talk about something you never tested. Make the test!
I am not the onlyone who is complaining about it, all the other people I play with share my opinion. There is absolutely no point to take Merguens.
When I chekc the results in the end of a battle it talks another story according to what you said.

Merguen cause less damage in missile than Dis.khorchi. I would like to upload a pic, but I dont know how

[Point Blank]

well, the fact is the opposite of what you said. Merguens are worse in melee (cz not effective against armor) and still worse in missile.
And if you still dont believe me, why dont you make a test?
take a group of dis.khorchis and merguen and let them shoot a target

Afterwards check the results. I really wonder why people talk talk talk about something they didnt try out.
You cant talk about something you never tested. Make the test!
I am not the onlyone who is complaining about it, all the other people I play with share my opinion. There is absolutely no point to take Merguens.
When I chekc the results in the end of a battle it talks another story according to what you said.

Merguen cause less damage in missile than Dis.khorchi. I would like to upload a pic, but I dont know how

Ridiculous, Khorchi have less accuracy than Merguen, try shooting off all their ammo in a properly controlled test vs stationary target on open grasssland. I told you that Skirmish archers shoot slower and in fact rarely get through their entire ammo load in battle. Efffectiveness also depends on target bunching etc. As far as melee, RC merely represents their weapons as depicted, Khorchi has 2AP so it will be more effective vs armor than another, but less effective vs unarmored (Merguen has 5 attack, better defense , faster attack, better morale etc etc).

Roz, see why I don't answer this PL rubbish?? I won't do so again.

[PlautusLeo]

another thing I noticed. my archers need a too long to switch from their bow to melee weapon. THey are already involved in a melee fight and have still their bows in hand. I always loose 10 soldiers until they switch units while they are involved in a melee fight

increasing the charge distance, would fix it!

[JorisofHolland]

That's a vanilla bug, right? I've never seen it in SS (don't have the time to take a closer look at the action ) but I always saw it when I played vanilla.
About the pictures: on top of the screen there is a FAQ button (next to "My Account" and "Register"). I'm sure there is something in it.

[Gorrrrrn]

I said he was trying

[PlautusLeo]

ok, thank you for all comments.
but if I do as you say, letting shoot my merguens til they get out of ammo, I will lose a lot of archers by opposite arrows.
maybe you should make them even more precise? if khorchi kills faster, cz they shoot faster and wider, why shall I take merguens?
Do you think the enemy is that stupid to wait til my merguens getting out of ammo?
As is mostly the case, the opponent is coming, so I dont have a lot of time to shoot him.
There is no point to take Merguens.
Please, please, fix it!

[JorisofHolland]

ok, thank you for all comments.
but if I do as you say, letting shoot my merguens til they get out of ammo, I will lose a lot of archers by opposite arrows.
maybe you should make them even more precise? if khorchi kills faster, cz they shoot faster and wider, why shall I take merguens?
Do you think the enemy is that stupid to wait til my merguens getting out of ammo?
As is mostly the case, the opponent is coming, so I dont have a lot of time to shoot him.
There is no point to take Merguens.
Please, please, fix it!

Why don't you do it yourself? In the Mod Workshop are many tutorials, I'm sure there is one to change stats.

[Point Blank]

Oh man.

[meese]

Skirmishers are typically better against single units or even a couple of units clustered together. They're also more useful for drawn out battles.

[meese]

By the way, don't forget that 6 is as high as arrows go and even the English longbowmen only have 5 attack.

[Rolling Thunder]

By the way, don't forget that 6 is as high as arrows go and even the English longbowmen only have 5 attack.

What's higher than an English longbow?


Aside from a crossbow, obviously...

[JorisofHolland]

Composite bows?