Why do people who play ETW believe that NTW should've been an expansion, not a stand alone?

[hellas1]

Hi all,

I'm persuaded that NTW should have been a stand alone and should have been better and more complex than ETW.

Why? Napoleon and his tactics and the deeper element of strategy & technological advances made during the 19th century.

I've not read anywhere, where the 18th century is concerned, that that pre-Napoleonic era was spectacular in any way other than the American colonists beating the British and also how the Ottoman empire made inroads into Russia and Europe.

Aside from those 2 Major points, the 18th century, insofar as I am aware of, should not have been portrayed as a lesser glorified version of the Napoleonic Wars.

Comments?
hellas1

[Blofeld2k]

Not sure about the 18th century tactics and all, but CA's pattern before was to release at least one expansion, so why deviate from the pattern now? Remember?
Viking Invasion
Barbarian Invasion
Alexander
Kingdoms

The general idea is that ETW was too broken to warrant an expansion, so they re-did most of the game into a stand alone. Also the price for a stand alone is generally higher, so more money for CA.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

A) ...we were robbed.
B)...we been beta testing for them for over a year now (what beta test you ask? do you own ETW?.. then youre a beta tester...)
C) all the promises that were made have been broken.....

As blofeld pointed out they have followed a sucessful formula in their game/expansion etc releases so far, why change???

Billy idol said it best....: 'money money money...." (or was it abba).

NTw should of been an expansion that addressed all the serious/not so serious/asthetic and practical issues that arose from ETW, including giving the mod community the tools as done previously before to develop the game and form the existing symbiosis the exists between a mod community and the manufacturer as all previous titles have done.

Asthetically i have to disagree, impho, CA et al tried the formula of squashing everything into a 100yr time span....what happened? ETW
Result :the first mod to be released (stand to be corrected) was deadly's 4 turns a year mod....

Every other TW title spans multiple centuries to include and nurture that god like dynastic meglomaniac tendency in us all to rule everything, everyone... and for a damn long time.

As being a Napoleonic fan i do agree with you about the tech, weapons and excitiment of the period compared to the previous century...
however the bigger picture is that NTW should have been something that fixed ETW but instead it was just used to milk more cash from a very loyal and dedicated fan base......

[TheFra]

Personally I'd have no problem IF I could have actually played Empire.

They could have fixed Empire but instead they have used the available resource to work on a new game and charge full price for it? Why is it so hard for some people to see that that is going to piss a large amount of people off?

On a slightly related note I have just changed graphics card this week, from Nvidia to ATI, and the difference in stability is massive. Same machine, same install, same mods, but with the Ati cart not one CDT yet. Sadly it just highlights some of other bugs.

[Saint Nicholas]

Isn't NTW a stand alone expansion? An expansion is never bigger than it's parent game.

[mightyfenrir]

Isn't NTW a stand alone expansion? An expansion is never bigger than it's parent game.

Exactly. Any of the modders, given the right tools and past open frameworks that they had to tool with the games could have made Napoleon out of Empire. I'm not going to go wasting my money, my $50, when I paid $50 for the last one thinking it would be as customizable as previous games were for even the lowly likes of me, on a game that, as a community, we could have modded Empire into for free with our own collective time and effort. Nope, I won't pay for something that we, as friends and a community, would have done for each other for nothing.

[Belegurt]

ehm... maybe 'cause it was actually announced in the first place as an etw expansion but then some months later they decided that they could get more money selling it as a standalone

maybe 'cause they always made an expansion for each TW game (shogun got mongol invasion, medieval got viking invasion, rome got alexander, medieval 2 got kingdoms and empire got... mmm, nothing? strange, for 10 years they work in the same way and then change theyr minds? and no, warpath wasnt an expansion... cmon...)

maybe 'cause empire is too broken (with the ai, with the crash errors and so on) and so everyone that bought it wanted it to be fixed BEFORE to have to pay full price to get something new?

here are some reasons, u chose wich one u prefer mate

[Lumina]

ETW is better still, over all the game is much bigger, larger world map, far more factions.

[Belegurt]

ETW is better still, over all the game is much bigger, larger world map, far more factions.

yeah, much, much bigger... it's like rocco siffredi but with impotence...

who care if u can't use it, u still got a pretty huge cock mate

[MathiasOfAthens]

Because the campaign map is so much smaller if you dont consider the new regions and the scale.

[Running With Scissors]

ETW struggled so badly to get to the stage it is now. Once the game actually got close to what the developers envisage SEGA make another money hungry grab and divide the game in two and repackage the next patch as a "game" and sell it at a ridiculous price. I heard NTW version even comes up with 2.0. Any one see a connection ETW 1.5 NTW 2.0.
Very disappointed with SEGA on this, I don't blame the developers at all its obviously a bunch of suits at SEGA trying to see how much they can rip off their customers. This may make the bottomline look good for this year but over time this will bite them in the behind as consumers wise up to their tactics.

[Alatar98]

i dont think it was because empire was too broke,
i think they made it a standalone mainly because to attach it to empire would have delayed production time and they needed to release it by February for first quarter.
i dont think they wanted to attach it to empire after the bad press empire was getting, cut and run.

[aggie_john]

Because NTW is so an expansion. It stinks of Kingdoms with the more faction specific campaigns, except that was a freaking expansion. This stand alone crap allowed them to charge more and not implement the improvements into Empire which sucks, also Napoleon is clearly a high period of the warfare of the age, since its not an expansion we can't play through from tricone to shako which is angering. It would be like splitting RTW into two games, Roman Republic and Empire so you could not play from the Punic wars to the imperial legions? I don't feel like I reach the best of the age in Empires now and I don't feel like I earn anything in Napoleon.

[uanime5]

If NTW was an ETW expansion you could easily use ETW units in NTW (in the same way you can use M2TW units in Kingdoms).