lasting peace with Austria

In the campaign of 1805, your first goal is, historically accurate, to take Vienna and get Austria to sue for peace. While Austria sue for peace upon the fall of the city, I was unable to prevent them from being at war against me (the French) the very next turn - Declaring war 2 weeks after a peace treaty makes no sense. If this means that there is really no way of taking nations out of the coalition (short of destroying them) then this game has no value for history buffs like me.

The main goal behind any strategy by Napoleon was to destroy the coalitions arrayed against him by peeling away some of their key members - we need to be able to do the same here

Let me know if there is something that works in getting Austria to agree to a - fairly - long lasting peace

A relatively easy fix would be for CA to establish a limit between the time nations cease hostilities and the time when one of the nation can declare war against the other.

I agree, that does get annoying (especially if you spend half the money from sacking Vienna on an alliance and military access).

However, after that happened to me the first time, i sacked Vienna a second time, and not only did i get alliance (which they canceled) and military access, but i made them break alliances with britain, russia, and some other factions, and got them to declare war on prussia. This takes some money but after sacking Vienna and giving back their provinces, it isnt unachievable.

At least that worked for me. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Marechal_Davout

In the campaign of 1805, your first goal is, historically accurate, to take Vienna and get Austria to sue for peace. While Austria sue for peace upon the fall of the city, I was unable to prevent them from being at war against me (the French) the very next turn - Declaring war 2 weeks after a peace treaty makes no sense. If this means that there is really no way of taking nations out of the coalition (short of destroying them) then this game has no value for history buffs like me.

The main goal behind any strategy by Napoleon was to destroy the coalitions arrayed against him by peeling away some of their key members - we need to be able to do the same here

Let me know if there is something that works in getting Austria to agree to a - fairly - long lasting peace

A relatively easy fix would be for CA to establish a limit between the time nations cease hostilities and the time when one of the nation can declare war against the other.

i might be an exception but in my French campaign after conquering Tyrol and Vienna Austria was out for maybe a year until declaring war again

I'm playing France on Hard campaign.

I captured and looted Vienna in March 1805. I knew that rebuilding the province would be expensive and long. Further, I also knew that holding onto it was guaranteed to quickly trigger another war with the Austrians. So my initial plan was to sell it back to the Austrians in exchange for either money, techs, or breaking up their alliances. Well, that didn't work. In fact, I couldn't even give it away for free! With Prussia declaring war on me, I decided it wasn't worth holding. So I abandoned it and let Austrian rebels take it back. It's almost 1807 and Austria is still at peace with me.

The loss of Vienna really hurt the Austrians, and my German and Italian satellites took advantage by seizing the Tyrol and Venice. With these buffers between my France and the Austria, I haven't heard a peep from them. It's allowed me time to concentrate on Prussia, Great Britain, and the hostile Italian states.

I agree with the OP that I wish NTW would make diplomatic agreements temporarily binding. In Civ4, you can't break a peace treaty or other diplomatic agreements for ten turns after finalizing it. At the end of those ten turns then you or the AI can break the treaty at any time. I do wish that such a system was in place for the TW games especially ETW and NTW. It would be nice to be able to feel safe about a border for at least a little bit without having to resort to the right of passage exploit.

Originally Posted by MKeogh

I'm playing France on Hard campaign.

I captured and looted Vienna in March 1805. I knew that rebuilding the province would be expensive and long. Further, I also knew that holding onto it was guaranteed to quickly trigger another war with the Austrians. So my initial plan was to sell it back to the Austrians in exchange for either money, techs, or breaking up their alliances. Well, that didn't work. In fact, I couldn't even give it away for free! With Prussia declaring war on me, I decided it wasn't worth holding. So I abandoned it and let Austrian rebels take it back. It's almost 1807 and Austria is still at peace with me.

The loss of Vienna really hurt the Austrians, and my German and Italian satellites took advantage by seizing the Tyrol and Venice. With these buffers between my France and the Austria, I haven't heard a peep from them. It's allowed me time to concentrate on Prussia, Great Britain, and the hostile Italian states.

I agree with the OP that I wish NTW would make diplomatic agreements temporarily binding. In Civ4, you can't break a peace treaty or other diplomatic agreements for ten turns after finalizing it. At the end of those ten turns then you or the AI can break the treaty at any time. I do wish that such a system was in place for the TW games especially ETW and NTW. It would be nice to be able to feel safe about a border for at least a little bit without having to resort to the right of passage exploit.

I'm starting to believe that blitzing through all of Austria and looting/liberating everything is the best way to go. In my first France game i had the same issue...couldn't keep a piece. My second game I took out Britain first....a bit historically inaccurate, but it went much better.

it is simple solution --- do not make austria hate you a lot. very simple. do not break alliances, do not overexpand too quick, etc etc.

Agreed, well at least the AI should be forced i like the occasional tactic against AI. and satellites

Austria sued for peace on 3rd turn in my campaign as France on H/H. They even gave me 2 of their techs and agreed to break alliance with English/Russians/Prussians (although, of course, they reformed alliances soon after). Maybe, the fact that I captured and liberated Venice the very first turn helped but 5-6 turns later Austria is still out and I didn't even touch Vienna lol

A little offtopic question. Will the campaign end if you meet all Victory Objectives or will you still have to wait till 1812?

Originally Posted by Grave

A little offtopic question. Will the campaign end if you meet all Victory Objectives or will you still have to wait till 1812?

you will gain superior victory as soon as you meet the victory conditions (i did this as russia in 1807 once). but you have the option to continue playing until 1812 i believe.

Originally Posted by lordbragh

you will gain superior victory as soon as you meet the victory conditions (i did this as russia in 1807 once). but you have the option to continue playing until 1812 i believe.

I havent completed it myself yet, but i thought you could go past 1812, i may have made that up though, so dont trust me on it.

Same happened to me. After Wien has been captured, we enjoyed the everlasting one turn on peace....playing on H/H. I never break an aliance or do something nasty do sabotage my relations with other states, but they hate me anyway...the important ones I think. Small states on the contrary, seem to love me...

Originally Posted by Zetto

Austria sued for peace on 3rd turn in my campaign as France on H/H. They even gave me 2 of their techs and agreed to break alliance with English/Russians/Prussians (although, of course, they reformed alliances soon after). Maybe, the fact that I captured and liberated Venice the very first turn helped but 5-6 turns later Austria is still out and I didn't even touch Vienna lol

well, I finished my campaign and Austria never attacked me although there few times when I was stretched thin and they had plenty of troops. So for 53 turns we were at peace and traded extensively, and only at the last turn I attacked and sacked Vienna to complete victory conditions.

So I can't say why some people having such troubles keeping Austria down. All I did is capture Venice with my initial troops in northern Italy on the first turn, and even in two separate games after that Austria offered peace on 3rd turn. I also send 2-3 spies for the last 20-30 turns to destroy Austria's economy and war machine, they basically sat in Vienna and Prague, destroying all the buildings and killing occasional generals. This really kept Austria down, along with a few pestering allies of mine. By the end of the game, I had a full stack sitting in Venice, waiting for Nappy to mop up mother-Russia and make the killing strike when I took over Moscow

Originally Posted by Marechal_Davout

In the campaign of 1805, your first goal is, historically accurate, to take Vienna and get Austria to sue for peace. While Austria sue for peace upon the fall of the city, I was unable to prevent them from being at war against me (the French) the very next turn - Declaring war 2 weeks after a peace treaty makes no sense. If this means that there is really no way of taking nations out of the coalition (short of destroying them) then this game has no value for history buffs like me.

The main goal behind any strategy by Napoleon was to destroy the coalitions arrayed against him by peeling away some of their key members - we need to be able to do the same here

Let me know if there is something that works in getting Austria to agree to a - fairly - long lasting peace

A relatively easy fix would be for CA to establish a limit between the time nations cease hostilities and the time when one of the nation can declare war against the other.

What difficulty were you playing on? Playing as France on H, I've had Austria happily trading with me for 2 years after I took Vienna. On VH the diplomacy goes out the window.

Originally Posted by Slaists

On VH the diplomacy goes out the window.

I actually assumed that Prussia and Austria were scripted against France in VH. It seems like you can keep a peace with Prussia early on...but 30 turns in, it appears that all the coalition governments are impossible to deal with diplomatically.

If you take Vienna, you should be able to take everything else. If not, take the major cities they control first, then the smaller towns.