what THe Ss teAm forgOt!

[PlautusLeo]

-completly every anti cav bonuses for spearmen/pikeniers.
I've checked the stats file yesterday and I was schocked by what I saw.
Only couse "Bonus against cav" is showen up in unitinformation when you are about to pick up your units, doest mean they have it.
The developers of Stainless Steel totally forgot to add this line: spear_bonus_x (value from 2-12)

So taking spearmen who actually have an attack of 3, is merely a waste of units.

Totally fail and

[JorisofHolland]

Yet they are quite effective against cavalry, mind you. (You're getting anoying, BTW)

[PerXX]

Stop responding to this guy.. it's not worth it..

[Galain_Ironhide]

Dude move on. If you are going to pick out every fault and carry on like its a game breaker then M2TW is not for you - stop being a whinging serial pest. Balance aside, the stuff you pick out is totally left field.

Man I hope you don't act like this in your real life, could turn out to be a lonely one.

[WEAREGODS]

I've checked the stats file yesterday and I was schocked by what I saw.
The developers of Stainless Steel totally forgot to add this line: spear_bonus_x (value from 2-12)

If you truly find that shocking dude, you have serious issues.

Seek help immediately.

[Point Blank]

Oh please. Light_Spear attribute alone gives +4 vs cav as well as bonuses when braced. Run along, jeez. Troll barely even begins to describe you. But just a little troll, like a shrivelled Gollum.

[Navajo Joe]

The Brotherhood of the Khurch of Kong have requested me to examine this thread.

As Kardinal I declare this thread as sedition, written by an unbeliever and heretic, PlautusLeo it is time you changed your ways or you must take your leave to another kingdom. Otherwise the Khurch will request on banishment and I call upon the Guardian of the forum, known as our loyal moderator Caesar Clivus to lock this seditious thread.

Kardinal Navajo Joe(Inquistor of Kong)

[Point Blank]

Amen

[DeliCiousTZM]

School the guy dont hate him and maybe he got a point under all that exentric talk.

[Druvatar De Bodemloze]

if you can find these discrepancies you can mod them yourself that is all that matters!

[Point Blank]

As they say, better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm it. That's PlautusLeo.

[StyggeKrumpen]

just LOL

[Amon Amarth]

Burn the heretetic!!!

[Ichon]

Sounds like he just expects spears to be as effective against cavalry as in RTW. The heavy cav of this medieval era though were much better armored and rode larger horses then in classical era of RTW and cataphracts in RTW were quite deadly as well.

Personally I think heavy cav are a bit too effective running straight into forward facing steady spearmen ranks with still being able to kill 50% just from the charge alone then fight out killing another 25% and losing only 10% their own much smaller forces but if you can get spears all around an enemy heavy cav they usually do quite well decimating it. I've also had quite a few instances of a decent spear unit charging the rear of a general heavy cav unit and not only doing hardly any damage but suffering huge losses. I think cav should have a large bonus when moving but suffer malus when sitting still, especially in the middle of a bunch of spearmen. Not sure if engine can do that though... since I haven't seen or heard of any mods for MTW2 that allow penalty based on movement(only a benefit with charge) then leaving heavy cav dominant still fits the era better.

[PlautusLeo]

light_spear determines the range of the weapon just as long_pike determines the longer range of pikeniers
If you check the export_desc_unit.txt of kingdoms you will notice, that every spearunit has this setting:
spear, spear_bonus_8
spear, long_pike, spear_bonus_8

"Town Militia"
light_spear, spear_bonus_4

Spear_bonus as you can see, defines the BONUS against cav.

The real trolls are these people who dont recognize the truth.

[PlautusLeo]

and I am talking about SS compilation beta

[Caesar Clivus]

Plautus every day you come in here and complain about something new. Now while constructive criticism is always welcome, your complaints are not constructive. When someone explains to you why an aspect of SS is the way it is, you refuse to listen. You also do not seem to grasp that aspects of SS are like for a reason. You also do not respect the experience or opinions of any of the modders who have given up countless hours of their time for this mod.

It is obvious that you do not like the choices that this mod has made. And it is obvious that this mod does not meet your expectations. Can I suggest that you try another mod as Stainless Steel is obviously not for you.

Until you can engage in a respectful conversation and be willing to listen to what others are telling you, you are no longer welcome in this forum.

Caesar Clivus.