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    I found this It's really interesting when considering the reccent collapse of the Dutch cabinet over the continued deployment of troops in Afghanistan.

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    Among allied forces fighting in Afghanistan, few countries have deployed a bigger share of their armed forces than Denmark, and fewer still have taken higher levels of casualties. But the small Scandinavian country is emerging as an unlikely example of how to maintain public support for the war.
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    Denmark Rallies Public Behind Afghan War


    By ALISTAIR MACDONALD

    Among allied forces fighting in Afghanistan, few countries have deployed a bigger share of their armed forces than Denmark, and fewer still have taken higher levels of casualties. But the small Scandinavian country is emerging as an unlikely example of how to maintain public support for the war.

    The popularity of the international campaign in Afghanistan has fallen across Europe and in the U.S. On Tuesday, the Dutch government set a June 9 date for general elections, nearly one year ahead of schedule. The move followed the unraveling of Netherlands' coalition government last weekend after it failed win support to extend the mandate of the nation's 1,600 troops in Afghanistan, presaging a likely withdrawal this year.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned Tuesday that the NATO military alliance is facing "very serious, long-term, systemic problems" sparked by European nations' unwillingness to adequately fund their militaries.
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    European Pressphoto Agency Denmark's Crown Princess Mary with troops in November in Helmand, where Danish losses have been high.


    "I believe we have reached an inflection point, where much of the continent has gone too far in the other direction," Mr. Gates told an audience at Washington's National Defense University.

    Amid this shift, the Danes have largely maintained public support for the effort, selling the mission as a humanitarian effort rather than simply protection against a terrorist threat, and building consensus among political parties. They have reaped the benefits of a largely supportive media and the country has, to some degree, rediscovered its pride in an active military.
    "The key to sustaining public support is an elite consensus that includes politicians in government and opposition as well as key opinion leaders: influential intellectuals, academics and columnists," says Dr. Peter Viggo Jakobsen, a security expert at the University of Copenhagen.

    Denmark has paid a high price in Afghanistan. Its 750 troops represent almost 5% of its entire military, including reserves—among the highest in Afghanistan. Of the total, 31 Danish troops have died there, an allied casualty rate behind only Canada and Estonia, which has just 150 soldiers fighting.
    Yet throughout a difficult 2009, polls consistently showed around a half of Danes surveyed by TNS Gallup believed Danish troops should be in Afghanistan; only one-third said they didn't. In NATO nations such as the U.K., Germany and Netherlands, meanwhile, polls reveal over half wanting troops back home.

    "If you can't win the public opinion, you have lost the war," Danish Defense Minister Sųren Gade said in a recent interview.
    Mr. Gade, who has led Danish efforts to maintain public support, announced Monday he is stepping down. Mr. Gade's ministry has been accused of leaking news of the deployment of Danish special forces to Iraq and he said this was attracting attention away from Afghanistan.

    Denmark's forces in Afghanistan—along with Britain, the Netherlands, Estonia and Canada—have formed a rump of non-U.S. allies essential to the U.S.-led war effort that do battle in Helmand province and other Afghanistan hot spots, contributing to high casualty rates for these countries' contingents.
    Now some of those nations are growing weary of the effort. The Netherlands and Canada have set pull-out dates, and some foreign armies remain reluctant to fight in restive regions like Helmand. British politicians face a hostile media that chronicles the return of every dead soldier's coffin.

    It's a different story in Denmark. "On editorial pages, there has been a total agreement that it is a necessary war," says Kristian Mouritzen, the foreign editor of Berlingske Tidende, one of Denmark's big three dailies.Mr. Gade, a former Danish army officer, said a key to winning the public was giving reporters deep access to soldiers, who were allowed to talk.

    When troops say, " 'We did a job and we did it good, and it is worth doing,' then it is very hard indeed for a lot of people to oppose, because those are the men and women who risk their lives," he said.
    That doesn't mean the public doesn't struggle with the country's involvement. Frank Erik Carlsen says that on "down days," he questions why Denmark is in Afghanistan, where his brother Henrik lost his life to a roadside bomb last August. Doubts pass, he says, when he thinks of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan and of Denmark's efforts to build wells and schools there.
    "It is too easy to stay at home, and Denmark is doing its part," he said. Next month, Mr. Carlsen begins training for his own deployment to Afghanistan.

    Denmark only recently returned to military action following a long stretch of neutrality that followed its 1864 defeat to Prussia, in modern day Germany. With the end of the Cold War, Danish forces, long tasked with home defense, had little to do.

    A stint in NATO's military intervention in Kosovo saw a Danish tank force rout a Serbian attack in 1994. Suddenly Danish politicians found it advantageous for the military to punch above its weight internationally and become a point of national pride, Dr. Jakobsen says.

    Denmark's participation in Iraq was less popular. But Danish politicians learned lessons they believe the U.S. and U.K. took too long to heed—emphasizing reconstructive work as much as the military conflict, and recognizing the broad-based effort of a U.N. mission with 44 contributors.

    "When I read a U.K. paper its just like, the U.K. and nobody else" fighting, Mr. Gade said.
    But while the Danes have said their forces remain committed to Afghanistan, that support can't be taken for granted.

    Recently there have been cracks in the coalition and a fall in opinion polls, with, for instance, a major newspaper withdrawing its support. Also, Mr. Gade's departure is seen as bad news, given the former advertising executive is seen as the government's most persuasive campaigner.

    And not everybody supports the war. Liv Storrud, a pacifist with a dove tattooed on her arm, lost her son, Major Anders Storrud, who became Denmark's highest-ranked casualty when he died of his wounds in October last year.
    "We supported Anders because he wanted to do it," she said. "But we didn't support the cause."
    Ms. Storrud says the government's argument on bringing greater equalities to Afghanistan, such as women's rights, is persuasive. But she adds: "Why Denmark? Why Anders? Why do we put so much on the line?"



    —Yochi Dreazen contributed to this article.
    Write to Alistair MacDonald at alistair.macdonald@wsj.com

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    Personally I think that some of the reasons, other than selling the missions as a humanitarian one, is that there are growing awareness of what our troops are actually doing in Afghanistan and growing recognition of the job they are carrying out.

    In recent years the "We support our troops" bumber sticker has become increasingly common on cars here in Denmark and we've even just established a national flag day for our soldiers. There has also been some popular documentaries detailing the daily lives of our troops over there which perhaps have also contributed with a positive image of our participtaion in this war.

    So, any thoughts?
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    Being pacifist throughout most of the 20th century has created quite a backlash, and I think most people take great interest in the war as it is our first of the kind, we have never fought insurgencies many thousands miles away before so naturally it is something people will find exiting.




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    Quote Originally Posted by razor- View Post
    Being pacifist throughout most of the 20th century has created quite a backlash, and I think most people take great interest in the war as it is our first of the kind, we have never fought insurgencies many thousands miles away before so naturally it is something people will find exiting.
    Indeed. Besides the old notion that denmark has always been a small nation not wanting to fight wars is . That only came after 1864. Personally I think it's good that this pacifist attitude is wearing off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Indeed. Besides the old notion that denmark has always been a small nation not wanting to fight wars is . That only came after 1864. Personally I think it's good that this pacifist attitude is wearing off.
    I really hope that when it does wear off we won't be seeing any longboats off the east coast of England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    I really hope that when it does wear off we won't be seeing any longboats off the east coast of England.
    Beware of the fusion-powered super longboats!


    @Kralle.

    Which was mainly due to the fact that the Army, in all it's infinite wisdom, didn't bother with the extra mine-protection package prior to deployment. Sadly a young chap had to die in order to shift their opinions. Anyway, I've heard the IKK's (IFVs) has arrived in A-stan. Any pictures or news about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Beware of the fusion-powered super longboats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Which was mainly due to the fact that the Army, in all it's infinite wisdom, didn't bother with the extra mine-protection package prior to deployment. Sadly a young chap had to die in order to shift their opinions.
    Now that doesn't surprise me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Anyway, I've heard the IKK's (IFVs) has arrived in A-stan. Any pictures or news about that?
    I have only found this so far.

    http://forsvaret.dk/FKO/Nyt%20og%20P...ghanistan.aspx

    http://forsvaret.dk/HOK/Nyt%20og%20P...’erlandet.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erebus26 View Post
    I really hope that when it does wear off we won't be seeing any longboats off the east coast of England.
    You will. And we will show ya the viking love.


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    Where is Denmark on the map?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    You could always google it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    Its the country that is the "happiest" place on the planet to live in most of the time, has a population that can read, least corruption in terms of goverment and despite being tiny has one of the highest gdp per cap...you know all the things your beloved Pakistan is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Its the country that is the "happiest" place on the planet to live in most of the time, has a population that can read, least corruption in terms of goverment and despite being tiny has one of the highest gdp per cap...you know all the things your beloved Pakistan is not.
    And allso european record for suicide victims among yongsters

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Cook View Post
    And allso european record for suicide victims among yongsters
    I think Spitsbergen, Northern Norway, Northern Sweden and Finnland stand for atleast 75% of those suicidel incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    Remember all the Danish cartoons about the warlord child rapist muhammed? It came from that country, bet that sparked your memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    Where's the na'vi tribe on the map?

    Its not like we aren't used to travelling to distant places for combat before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    Pakistan wasn't on the map before 1947, so please take your trolling elsewhere

    more on-topic

    this is good news
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    This was a cool article, and to Azog, the casualties were starting to get a lot lower, until the surge into Helmund.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Where is Denmark on the map?
    Well, if you count their soldiers. Quite close to where you live

    And I GUARANTEE, more people know where Denmark is than Pakistan.

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    Its always good to read about a government that actually works correctly (or seems to to an outsider).

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    Do the danes have a state channel, and how (relativly) big is it?

    BTW: IIRC the danes are the NATO's european commander (or was one not long ago) which will bend most danish news papers to it's will. It's a quite classic phenomena which our (abit further north) populare non-sate news paper is not ashamed to admit, and we see it all the time in forign issue's, examples would be the dragging of the Saddam statue and it's supporting context. etc.
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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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