Napoleon Vs. Empire

[Enemy0fSociety]

So What are the main differences between Empire: Total War and Napoleon: Total War?

Napoleon Bonaparte from a historical stand point is later, slightly more technologically advanced, and certainly has a larger force and influence in his time period. Just after King Louis XVI was beheaded by his own people during the French Revolution "started" by Maximilien Robespierre, France's people were really looking for any person that could put up some "victory" for France. They were brainwashed into thinking Napoleon Bonaparte knew it all and was a god in and of himself. Ultimately, which I personally hope the game ends with, is his major defeat at the Battle of Waterloo.

Empire: Total War sounds much more of an entertaining series from my point of view. Several different factions all with different qualities and areas, all going for the same goal: absolute power. Empire: Total War from what I have read and researched is a better game.

But what's your opinion? What are some of the pros and cons of both games?

[Celareon]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Bugs (Half finished on release and I'm being kind)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy
-Doesn't feel polished (Wonder why)

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

[fast gamertag]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Bugs (Half finished on release and I'm being kind)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy
-Doesn't feel polished (Wonder why)

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

all this and i just want to say i think its just irritating that you can choose only 4 nations to play the CG with

[arten800]

But Napoleon Total War had a new game mode historical battles but I do agree that NTW was overpriced I bought it for 200 Qrs[Qatari riyals] and the ETW Gold Edition was 130 Qrs in Virgin Megastore which was cheap as it included all dlcs I suggest wait 6 months before buying a game

[Harvester of Sorrow]

But Napoleon Total War had a new game mode historical battles

Historical battles aren't new, they have been around since Rome. They just were not presented on a map.

I felt that vanilla Napoleon was very limited and didn't really feel like a new game, more of a standalone dlc for Empire. It did add some nice features such as attrition, but even that has been modded into Empire now. Napoleon has not really offered anything completely new whereas as Empire came with a bundle of new features. I would have to say that Empire was better.

[G. Ward]

all this and i just want to say i think its just irritating that you can choose only 4 nations to play the CG with

yeah and u can just mod it get empire

[faust_d]

I'm quite ok with the general opinion between both games, like more reactiv engine for NTW or more evolved features in ETW. Why didn't CA make a big fusionned pack of both ?

[Humble Warrior]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Bugs (Half finished on release and I'm being kind)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy
-Doesn't feel polished (Wonder why)

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

That`s pretty fair and accurate. +Rep.

[501st Legion]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Bugs (Half finished on release and I'm being kind)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy
-Doesn't feel polished (Wonder why)

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

My thoughts exactly. Although there are several things I want to add to this...

Empire:
- lack of variety in music
- horrible sieges
- historically inaccurate Ottoman units (non DLC)
- cavalry are weaker than they were historically
- no chat lobby
- lack of immersion

Napoleon:
+ a two week turn system (finally, it doesn't take two years to march to Moscow)
+ more diplomatic options
+ players can liberate factions
+ challenging rebel armies
+ players can chat with one another before setting up a multiplayer match
+ drop in battles

- units run out of ammo way too fast
- naval crews use the same outfits from Empire
- disappointing victory videos for the playable factions besides the French (just a fireworks show... lame) and no new duel videos


I wonder why people say that Empire has more "variety" when there are little annoyances such as the fact that Royal Ecossais are nothing more than a "white" version of the Black Watch. Is it due to the presence of the Marathas and the Native Americans?

My gripe with Empire is that the game seems to force you to play it with a mod installed, whereas I can play Napoleon fresh from the box without modifying it for months on end.

[Humble Warrior]

disregard.

[Blitz66]

I'd die for a mod that combines the scope of Empire (full NA + EU + IND + Trade Theatres), the graphics and AI of Napoleon, and the gameplay of Darthmod.

[waswar]

I'd die for a mod that combines the scope of Empire (full NA + EU + IND + Trade Theatres), the graphics and AI of Napoleon, and the gameplay of Darthmod.

Hm, Empire has alot better textures....ALOT better....

[Gryphes]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Bugs (Half finished on release and I'm being kind)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy
-Doesn't feel polished (Wonder why)

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

update ur copy of ETW to 1.6 version.

[Gryphes]

Empire:

+Massive, 3 Theater World (Although crippled by small # of provinces)
+Many different nations to choose from (Sharing the same bland, cookie cutter format albeit)
+Fire by Rank
+Open Ended Campaign

-AI (Campaign and Battle)
-Same units for each army mostly
-Same ships for each navy

Napoleon:

+Better AI
+More army differentiation
+Attrition and Supply System
+More, smaller regions
+Better art design (completely subjective, but the 'portraits' in ETW were horrible)
+Physically larger campaign map
+Enhanced GFX engine

-Smaller scope
-Cost high for what is essentially a glorified expansion
-little, if any integration or enhancement with/for its parent game, ETW
-Only 4 nations to choose from in GC
-was developed and released during a time when CA should have been focusing all its energy on repairing and upgrading Empire

$.10

fixed

[kinslayer]

Honestly, along with what Celareon listed above, I've found that battles in NTW feel more like an arcade than an actual total war fight. I mean even at the extreme long range my guys are mowing down enemies, and vice versa. I find that....unrealistic. Thus battles are much much more quicker, and more fast paced. Also...if you break a line infantry regiment (say with 80 men left or so, or maybe a little more) they'll rout and stay routed...however, militia units, if you break them, even with 30 or so men left they'll turn around reform and run at you again. It's kind of insane, somewhat....lol. I scratched my head at that one..., yeah.

[bodkin]

Honestly, along with what Celareon listed above, I've found that battles in NTW feel more like an arcade than an actual total war fight. I mean even at the extreme long range my guys are mowing down enemies, and vice versa. I find that....unrealistic. Thus battles are much much more quicker, and more fast paced. Also...if you break a line infantry regiment (say with 80 men left or so, or maybe a little more) they'll rout and stay routed...however, militia units, if you break them, even with 30 or so men left they'll turn around reform and run at you again. It's kind of insane, somewhat....lol. I scratched my head at that one..., yeah.

It seems definately more arcade type, units move alot quicker, fire and reload quicker, everything is faster, maybe CA are going down the road of other strategy game developers and are trying to appeal to the younger short attention span, fast twitch kind of gamers.

Yet mods will slow the game down and there is already one to slow down movement.

The other thing is that I don't find the graphics as immersive as ETW the units are quite sterile looking and it's always overcast weather for some reason.

[Tango12345]

you can choose only 4 nations to play the CG with

Reason number one why I am sticking with ETW atm...

[williss]

Reason number one why I am sticking with ETW atm...

I just bought ETW two days ago and I'm loving it, don't think I'll move for Napoleon anytime soon either. I read that all the patching up to 1.6 helped make the game more stable, I'm glad I waited a bit because I haven't had any problems thus far on my low-end laptop. To be fair, some people prefer a more Eurocentric focus in strategy games and I can see how they'd be hyped for Napoleon.

[Inhuman One]

Napoleon just is not total war. Its about a single man and a few years of war.

There are so few factions as well, its just not worthy of being called total war.

If two cats are fighting in my backyard I might as well call that total war too.

[Hilarion]

A better question is Napoleon vs. DMUC...