Only peasant archers recruitable ??? (England)

[Huitzilopochtli]

Hi there,
I dont know if this is a bug or if I overlooked a fix/patch whatever, sorry if I did, im new to St.Steel:

I´m playing 6.1 with all the submods from the installer, early campaign on vh/vh as England and in the building browser for castles under "ranges" it says that all the missile units I can get are peasant archers, regardless of the level of the range, only the pool size increases! I cant get Dismounted English Knights either, only DFKs and light Men-at-Arms according to the browser! The only possibility to get better archers would be to get the woodman´s guild for sherwoods. I mean this can´t be part of a submod can it? You cant take the longbows and knights away from England! And I checked the royal acadamy site...of course there are longbows for England in St.Steel.

Does anybody know whats going on here?

[Gogolometro]

If is only SS maybe you check the byg system. Thats wrong install. If you installed RR, than dont worry. Need to wait the event "english archers". Longbows are available around turn 60-70.

[Huitzilopochtli]

So they´re not yet invented? Oh my what a great mod! Excuse my noobishness, sir. A bit confusing that building browsers dont show them at all, though. well then I´ll just keep on playing...is there a thread that lists these "unit available"-events?

@ Joris: I checked everything except permanent arrows. And there was one option that said like: "Do not use when using BGR 3", right, i didnt check that either. I think I really just have to wait till new weapons are invented, i wasnt aware that RR has that feature as there are so many and a guy can get a little confused ;-)

[Navajo Joe]

As you installed BGR3 you need to install the Data Zip and the bottom of the first post in BGR thread in sub mods and sadly restart. If you already have done this then it is RR/RC restricting use of these units.

[Point Blank]

As you installed BGR3 you need to install the Data Zip and the bottom of the first post in BGR thread in sub mods and sadly restart. If you already have done this then it is RR/RC restricting use of these units.

Right, if you are using BGR III with SS 6.1. SS6.2 BGRIV fixes that bug.

[JorisofHolland]

If you checked all the option in the installer you should reinstall, in that case you removed Army Suply System whilst adding BGR III. But as that would cause a crash you probably haven't.

[JorisofHolland]

If it's because of RR/RC, check the Sub Mods forum, there is a forum for RR/RC. Maybe someone posted a list.

[DeliCiousTZM]

When does Retinue longbowmen become availiable ?

[PerXX]

Not sure if there's any difference between the 6.1 RR, and the latest RC/RR compilation, but if not, they require the Full Plate Armor, which is between 280-300 years into the campaign (early campaign)

[cuo]

Not sure if there's any difference between the 6.1 RR, and the latest RC/RR compilation, but if not, they require the Full Plate Armor, which is between 280-300 years into the campaign (early campaign)

Afaik there is a "english archers event" at about round 100 (early campaign) in the 6.2 RR/RC comp that makes them available.

[PerXX]

Afaik there is a "english archers event" at about round 100 (early campaign) in the 6.2 RR/RC comp that makes them available.

From the EDU. Retinue Longbowmen listed as Dismounted Longbowmen

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type Dismounted Longbowmen
dictionary Dismounted_Longbowmen ; Retinue Longbowmen, lp
category infantry
class missile
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_Longbowmen, 60, 0, 1.05
officer northern_captain

attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, stakes, stakes
formation 1.2, 1.2, 1.8, 1.8, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 5, 3, elite_mass_bodkin_arrow, 200, 30, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 4, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 30, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 4, 7, 2, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 7
stat_ground 0, -2, 2, 0
stat_mental 13, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 6, 1345, 250, 75, 55, 1095, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 4, 8, 13, 18
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Longbowmen, Dismounted_Longbowmen_ug1, Dismounted_Longbowmen_ug2, Dismounted_Longbowmen_ug2
ownership england
era 2 england
recruit_priority_offset 50

From the EDB, this is the only line I'm finding relating to Dismounted Longbowmen (no lines with Retinue Longbowmen). There's no mention of ENGLISH_ARCHERS either, though it is in the Descr_events.txt file

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recruit_pool "Dismounted Longbowmen" 1 0.67 2 0 requires factions { england, } and event_counter FULL_PLATE_ARMOR 1

[Point Blank]

Longbows are available about 1220. Longbow mercs are available before that.

[Point Blank]

Yep they are only available after Full Plate event, and in limited numbers, though as an England 'strength' their replacement rate has been boosted, though you will have plenty of Yeoman Archers and Longbowmen anyway.

[qvcatullus]

Now I'm confused. Do they come available around 1220, or at the Full Plate event? Because I thought the Full Plate event wasn't until almost 1400.
I've played until after 1200ish with an England campaign, waiting for the longbows to arrive. Still nothing, so I tried loading a 'late era' game as England, and they are still not showing as an option in the building browser. If they're really not recruitable until 150-200 turns into even a late era campaign, I don't think that I'll EVER see them, which is a shame, since England will be stuck at just peasant archers while everyone else gets at least some crossbows or some such to play with.

Please let me know if they should already be recruitable by the late era, since I want to know if I made a mistake with the install. I installed a while ago and don't remember exactly what I did, but it was SS 6.2, I installed the real recruitment or whatever that divides units up into feudals and professionals but not the Grim Reality that limits recruitability. I did not install realistic combat. I DID install the supply system. I think I left most things on the default, honestly.

[meese]

Normal longbows come around 1200, yeoman around 1300, then the retinue after the full plate event near the end of the 1300's. Maybe your installation is messed up or you didn't end the turn because some units don't show up on the first turn.

[qvcatullus]

This was correct, thank you.
Once I ended turn on the late campaign, the longbows arrived. I was not aware that this was required for some units. This confused me, because I was checking some late era campaigns to see what the rosters for a slightly higher tech look like, and they weren't any different, but now I know!

[JorisofHolland]

It kind of sucks, but it's the only way to make units available at the aproriate time. When you start Late Campaign, the event counters must first be fired (the right ones, of course ) and this is done at turn end / turn start.