Why was (is?) Romania so large? mk2

**Nikitn** · February 24, 2010, 06:09 AM

Romania has been at war not only with all their neighbours (1. Balkan war, WW1, WW2), but also all nations IN THE PROXIMITY OF ROMANIA (WW2, WW1). Only Nazi Germany slaughtered more Jews and minority groups than Romania during WW2, and Romania has had an infamous list of dictators and leaders (Vlach the impaler, Antonescu, Ceauşescu)

Considering what has happened to other upstart nations that were often at war Romania's fourtune is quite interesting. Not only did Romania survive, Romania also grew (on the cost of their neighbours like Moldova, Bulgaria, USSR, Hungary...).

What I am getting at is, how come Romania could survive, and expand?

Look at the extreme expansion, it is quite amazing:

**konny** · February 24, 2010, 08:13 AM

I am pretty confident that there is a special forum out there for you guys to fight this out; but I am also pretty confident that TWC's VV is not that place. And I am very confident that one or the other moderator will finally call a halt to this spamming war.

**cegorach** · February 24, 2010, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by konny

I am pretty confident that there is a special forum out there for you guys to fight this out; but I am also pretty confident that TWC's VV is not that place. And I am very confident that one or the other moderator will finally call a halt to this spamming war.

I hope so, perhaps more permanent solution will be found.

**Nikitn** · February 24, 2010, 08:52 AM

Yes, but we must also remember that war-traditions which came from the Roma people (and others who later mixed with the locals) must also have contributed to this major expansion of Romania.

**mircea** · February 24, 2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kirov123

Yes, but we must also remember that war-traditions which came from the Roma people (and others who later mixed with the locals) must also have contributed to this major expansion of Romania.

Academic source for this "statement"

**intel** · February 24, 2010, 09:22 AM

How to start another nonsense flame-inspiring thread, mk.2

I'd answer your rather silly questions: everyone with at least minimal ability of logical thinking would find all of it out himself, but you seem not to bothered about actuall discussion.

Only Nazi Germany slaughtered more Jews and minority groups than Romania during WW2

If you want to discuss it, visit appropiate thread in VV. Otherwise, you should not include such irrevelant to the original question opinions.

I doesn't contribute anything to the thread as well. i could do the same about Russia, but apparently I'd have to include some serious bias against Russia first.

"Why is Russia so large?

It had long tradition of political oppresion and sending political enemies into camps in Siberia, it starved Ukraine, killed Poles in Katyn, massacred milions of people, and it's story is full of bloody tyrants since 1480s, with creatures as Ivan Terrible, Stalin and Beria."

You can see the method Kirov uses. Spam thread is spam

**Flavius Nevitta** · February 24, 2010, 09:32 AM

Guys please just ignore him and let this thread die for the sake of this forum. Everyone here should know by now that this guy hasn't made a single useful post in this forum. Just because he stopped his education in kindergarden doesn't mean everyone else has to sink to his level.

**Lonck** · February 24, 2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kirov123

What I am getting at is, how come Romania could survive, and expand

they kicked ass thats how. How did the US survive and expand and become world police in just 220 years? They kicked ass.

**rusina** · February 24, 2010, 01:45 PM

Who here thinks that Kirov should shut the

up.

o/

**Nikitn** · February 24, 2010, 01:52 PM

Hey relax man.

Anyway the little misunderstanding is over, this thread is still alive!

**bushbush** · February 24, 2010, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Kirov123

Hey relax man.

Anyway the little misunderstanding is over, this thread is still alive!

ya just dont repeated this thread

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=334689

and bring out " Gypsies = Romanians." lolol. Some tough guy said he wanted punch you in the face after that. Careful...

so what do you want to debate exactly.

**Nikitn** · February 24, 2010, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by bushbush

ya just dont repeated this thread

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=334689

and bring out " Gypsies = Romanians." lolol. Some tough guy said he wanted punch you in the face after that. Careful...

so what do you want to debate exactly.

Oh damn man.. I am so tempted at doing another 1 but the moderators may launch a crackdown soon on the VV so.. :-/

Anyway I'm just curious how Romania has expanded so much. Since 1848 it must have at least near doubled in size. I believe this stuff has 2 do with sneaky Romanian policies, like the trickery involved in creating a real Romanian access to the sea (...), backstabbing Bulgaria (lol it was Bulgaria vs all her neighbours AT ONCE during the 2. Balkan wars).

**Carpathian Wolf** · February 24, 2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Kirov123

Oh damn man.. I am so tempted at doing another 1 but the moderators may launch a crackdown soon on the VV so.. :-/

Anyway I'm just curious how Romania has expanded so much. Since 1848 it must have at least near doubled in size. I believe this stuff has 2 do with sneaky Romanian policies, like the trickery involved in creating a real Romanian access to the sea (...), backstabbing Bulgaria (lol it was Bulgaria vs all her neighbours AT ONCE during the 2. Balkan wars).

For the sake of not having this stupidity spread let's go over it:

1. North Dobrogea was liberated from the Ottoman Turks. Demographics show it as majority Romanian.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...obethn1903.png

2. Transylvania was majority Romanian and the people there voted to join up with the rest of the Kingdom of Romania.

3. The eastern half of Moldova was like wise Romanian majority and sided with Romania.

4. The borders beyond Moldova were part of the retaliation against the USSR after it having taken Moldova away from Romania yet again.

Hardly "expansion."

**intel** · February 24, 2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kirov123

Romania has been at war not only with all their neighbours (1. Balkan war, WW1, WW2), but also all nations IN THE PROXIMITY OF ROMANIA (WW2, WW1). Only Nazi Germany slaughtered more Jews and minority groups than Romania during WW2, and Romania has had an infamous list of dictators and leaders (Vlach the impaler, Antonescu, Ceauşescu)

Irrevelant to the question, and most porbably attempt at pissing off Romanians. That's not an object of the discussion and there's no reason for this rant to be actually present in OP.

Considering what has happened to other upstart nations that were often at war Romania's fourtune is quite interesting. Not only did Romania survive, Romania also grew (on the cost of their neighbours like Moldova, Bulgaria, USSR, Hungary...).

What I am getting at is, how come Romania could survive, and expand?

Look at the extreme expansion, it is quite amazing:

Moldova was Romanian, to begin with. The doctrine of nation's self-determination helped a lot in defining the borders of Romanian state, and that's exactly why Hungary was about to lose some of it's lands to Romania. Another factor were both World Wars.

I don't really see a point of this thread, everyone is able to find the answers to those question on his own, by getting any book about modern history of Romania in public/school library. Albeit probably such books will differ in some matters (still, irrevelant to your question), such as WWII Romanian history, the overall requirement for historians to refer to actual facts should give you the image of Romanian borders change through XIXth and XXth century.

As for "expansion"- it's not "extreme". Russian expansion is extreme. Romania at it's greatest extent never really changed it size from medium eastern european state into anything bigger. Borders of Romania covered mostly Romanian population in the region (excluding WWII), so I do not see how can this be seen as both "extreme" and "expansion".

**bushbush** · February 24, 2010, 04:59 PM

what are you talking about? Romania is still pretty darn small and has always been so in history. I mean you are from russia....and you think romania is large?