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    REUTERS - French President Nicolas Sarkozy backed the creation of a "viable" Palestinian state on Monday but was cautious about repeating his foreign minister's support for possible recognition of a state before its borders were set.

    Speaking at a news conference in Paris with visiting Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Sarkozy repeated France's support for statehood for Palstinians but added: "We have always said a viable Palestinian state."



    "What we want when we argue for a Palestinian state is a real state, which can give hope and a future for millions of Palestinians. It's not just an idea," he told reporters.

    In a newspaper interview at the weekend, Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said that to break a stalemate in Middle East peacemaking, some countries might recognise a Palestinian state before its borders were fixed.

    "One can imagine a Palestinian state being rapidly declared and immediately recognised by the international community, even before negotiating its borders. I would be tempted by that," he told the Journal du Dimanche.

    Sarkozy said that Kouchner was thinking of possible ways to bring momentum to the peace process but that France's goal remained a functioning Palestinian state in clearly set borders.

    "In Bernard's comments, there was the thought that if we don't manage that, then when the time comes, in accord with our Palestinian friends, we might underline the idea of this state politically, to lift it up a notch in a way," he said.

    "But the objective is the idea of a Palestinian state in the frontiers of 1967, with an exchange of territory, just as we have said all along."

    The Ramallah-based Palestinian leadership said last year it would seek U.N. Security Council backing for a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, referring to the West Bank and Gaza Strip borders as they were on the eve of the 1967 Middle East war.

    It said the initiative would not be a unilateral declaration of statehood but would aim to secure international support for the eventual creation of a state based on the 1967 borders.

    Sarkozy said that if any such initiative were launched, "we would see what we would do" but that it was up to the Palestinians to decide how they wished to proceed.

    Israel has sharply criticised the idea of any unilateral initiative and says only negotiations can produce results.

    But there has been growing speculation in Israel that the Palestinians are looking for ways around direct talks which have been suspended for over a year.

    A think-tank close to the Israeli government says the Palestinians "have largely abandoned a negotiated settlement and instead are actively pursuing a unilateral approach to statehood" with serious implications for Israel.

    "Palestinian unilateralism is modeled after Kosovo's February 2008 unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia," said a recent paper by Dan Diker of the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs.

    The EU and the United States recognised the independence of Kosovo without the support of a Security Council resolution. Palestinian leaders now believe "geopolitical conditions are ripe" to follow that path, Diker said.
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    Whar do you think? the creation of a Palestinian state could secure the region or not?

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Darsh View Post
    http://www.france24.com/en/20100222-...kouchner-abbas

    Whar do you think? the creation of a Palestinian state could secure the region or not?
    I think it could and I support the creration of a Palestinian state.

    However I don't think ISrael will accept ther 1967 borders, unless an exception was made given Jerusalem completely to Israel. However, that could cause the Palestinians to reject a plan.

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    The Arabs won't be happy until Israel is wiped off the map.


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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    The Arabs won't be happy until Israel is wiped off the map.
    I think it is a slight generalization to say "the Arabs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortimore the Conqueror View Post
    I think it is a slight generalization to say "the Arabs".
    i think its pretty accurate. Israel just needs to take all the Pals out of the west bank, annex it and jam them in the gaza strip and give it time, the world will forget and move on to more pressing matters.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle_mole View Post
    i think its pretty accurate. Israel just needs to take all the Pals out of the west bank, annex it and jam them in the gaza strip and give it time, the world will forget and move on to more pressing matters.
    Yeah, just like they forgot about them these past 60 years, right?
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle_mole View Post
    i think its pretty accurate. Israel just needs to take all the Pals out of the west bank, annex it and jam them in the gaza strip and give it time, the world will forget and move on to more pressing matters.
    So much for israeli moral high ground

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

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    So much for israeli moral high ground
    Neither side has any moral high ground whatsoever any more.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Vortimore the Conqueror View Post
    I think it is a slight generalization to say "the Arabs".
    OK, how about I say Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the Palestinians, Syria, and Saudi Arabia then? Oh wait...

    The fact is, most Arab nations won't be happy until Israel ceases to exist. That is why I think giving up land is a mistake. Once you give them to Golan Heights and the Siani Peninsula, they want Gaza and the West Bank. When you give them Gaza and the West Bank, they will want the rest of Israel, until they get all the area.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    The Arabs won't be happy until Israel is wiped off the map.
    So? One way or another, it's going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    So? One way or another, it's going to happen.
    Amen, brother. It is written.


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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Amen, brother. It is written.
    Wishfull thinking, again?
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Vortimore the Conqueror View Post
    Wishfull thinking, again?
    It's simple fact, Israel isn't capable of sustaining itself. It just a matter of how and when the state will collapse. Personally, I'm banking on a mixture of civil war and external pressure.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    I thought it had almost been universally accepted that there should be a Palestinian state.

    Of course, my personal preference would be the creation of a new state altogether.

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Of course, my personal preference would be the creation of a new state altogether.
    Yeah same here, but the chosen race does not want to live with too many Arabs...

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Mehmed II View Post
    Yeah same here, but the chosen race does not want to live with too many Arabs...
    For very obvious reasons.

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    For very obvious reasons.
    Of course, the term the chosen people is self explanatory.


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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Mehmed II View Post
    and unlawful...
    How can reasons be unlawful exactly?
    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Of course, the term the chosen people is self explanatory.
    Well, something about living with a people who hate your guts and would probably support any invader at all just sounds unappealing.

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnknownEntity View Post

    Well, something about living with a people who hate your guts just sounds unappealing.

    yup poor palestinians... that statement cuts both ways.

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    Default Re: Sarkozy backs ‘viable’ Palestinian state, but sidesteps border issue

    For very obvious reasons.
    and unlawful...

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