Ptolemies

[Tombl]

In the game the ptolemies have a eastern culture, but they were actually hellenes? So why are they eastern and not greek? Maybe someone who has a lot of knowledge about it could tell me?

Because I'm sure they had more to do with the Greeks than with that dumb people from africa and the far east who don't know how to build cities

And in my game there is no Pharos wonder? And Alexandria isn't even at the Nile, it's in the desert west of the Nile?

[ISA Gunner]

Ummm...the Ancient Egyptians had already built vast cities long before Hellenes settled there. Not to mention other various yet great feats of architecture. And although the Hellenes introduced a great many Greek things, cultural, economical and social - they also adapted a lot to the customs of the Egyptians. For example, the Ptolemies were Pharoahs. They respected a lot of the Egyptian culture. Especially the religion and traditions. As for Alexandreia not being on the Nile, i have no idea why that is the case.

[Visarion]

You should read more history! People from Africa and Asia were not at all dumb! In fact they had cities long before Europeans did...

[General Brittanicus]

You should read more history! People from Africa and Asia were not at all dumb! In fact they had cities long before Europeans did...

I agree Visarion there were many large empires and cities in Africa before the Europeans reached that kind of level. And Asia..... China is in Asia you do realise, one of the oldest and most powerful empires the world had ever seen, who were only pegged back by their failure to invent glass, as stephen fry tells us. India, Japan and many other asian countires all had large cities in ancient times.

The Egyptian culture had been around a lot longer than the brief period that it was a part of alexanders empire, so i guess that is why it is eastern even if still was technically ruled by hellenic generals afterwards i expect that they would have been more influenced by egyptian culture rather than the other way around.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

dumb people from africa and from the far east? haha... nice one... go read more

[mastaace]

In the game the ptolemies have a eastern culture, but they were actually hellenes? So why are they eastern and not greek? Maybe someone who has a lot of knowledge about it could tell me?

Because I'm sure they had more to do with the Greeks than with that dumb people from africa and the far east who don't know how to build cities

And in my game there is no Pharos wonder? And Alexandria isn't even at the Nile, it's in the desert west of the Nile?

actually the first cities EVER were build in Asia, and by asian peoples. ever heard of Sumer? Fertile Crescent? I guess not.

[Taelok]

This isn't a knowledge contest.

The reason they're represented as stereotypical Egyptians is probably to add flavour to the original game (vanilla RTW). They'll be correct in RS2.

[mastaace]

This isn't a knowledge contest.

yes but twc can be used to pass on knowledge. that never hurts.

[MarcusTullius]

In the game the ptolemies have a eastern culture, but they were actually hellenes? So why are they eastern and not greek? Maybe someone who has a lot of knowledge about it could tell me?

Because I'm sure they had more to do with the Greeks than with that dumb people from africa and the far east who don't know how to build cities

Hey,

See the new Ptolemies in RS2.0, they may well quench your thirst for a more Hellenistic faction. As a successor state, they will have many Greek units but also retain some Egyptian elements to reflect the mixed cultures.

See here : http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=210379

If you have any questions, just ask! When making the preview I did lots of reading around the subject so should know a few things

[Tombl]

Yea guys I know I know. I do know about their architecture but I'm talking about the game. In the battle map the cities look like crap, I just like the western Civilizations more. But for Alexandria, that city wasn't eastern at all, it was Greek.

I like the fact that it is more realistic than in vanilla where it is made like it was Egypt before all the others, like 1000BC (?)
I'm not saying you should change a lot of it, but I'm only asking if the Egyptians did build eastern? And not Hellenic?

About the dumb thing, I apologize Didn't think about it really

And nobody knows about my Alexandria being a desert town problem?

[Inhuman One]

Personly I prefered the vanilla egyptian roster over yet another hellenic roster.

I know its accurate, but I liked the egyptian style army.

Thats why I really hope the next rome total war or total war game set in around the same time will be before Alexander's conquest.

[Visarion]

About Alexandria, a most important port at the Mediterranean Sea, you are right... it was built by Alexander the Great and it was in the Nile Delta and not in the desert but the other cities of ancient Egypt had an Eastern architecture.
About the army again you are right it was much like Alexander's army at first but later, like in most conquered territories, local elements have been integrated.
The Greeks were not like the Romans, they collaborated with the locals for common goals. Local culture and religion could be kept. They never exterminated anyone. In fact that was the dream of Alexander to bring enlightenment to other people, to create mixed cultures in wich people of different race and origin could live together in peace.

[General Brittanicus]

Personly I prefered the vanilla egyptian roster over yet another hellenic roster.

I know its accurate, but I liked the egyptian style army.

Thats why I really hope the next rome total war or total war game set in around the same time will be before Alexander's conquest.

Before Alexanders Conquest? Wont that just be the persian empire instead of a hellenic one, i know the egyptians would still have kept their cultural identity and their army type alot more intact under the persians than the greeks, but you would just be swapping one massive empire for another. I believe that the persians conquered egypt in 525 bc i believe, so are you saying you would like to see a total war game set even before that?

[mastaace]

yes, way before that please!

[SimpleCourage47]

What was the ptolemaic army like when Rome took over ? I know in hbo's Rome you only see palace guards which are more like vanilla Egyptians. I would have though that,even in Caesar's time, they still relied on the Macedonian phalanx with local troops and Greek descendants filling those ranks, while other local levies and such were used as support/auxillia troops and skirmishes of varies kinds.

[Tombl]

I know about Alexanders dream to unite all civilized factions, I know he wanted his men to marry Persian women.

But you should make at least Alexandria Hellenic at the start of the game. And does nobody know why there is no Pharos in my game? And why Alexandria isn't at the Nile? Is it possible to change that?

[dvk901]

In RS2, the Ptolemies will have 'Egyptian' looking cities until the 'large_town' level...this more or less assumes that most other places in Egypt would be, well, Egyptian. But at the 'City' and about levels their cities will be 'Greco_Egyptian'. So to start the game, Alexandria is essentially a 'Greek' city held by the Ptolemies.

I am with you, and so has the team been in wanting to display the Ptolemies much more the way they were, and not as the 4000BC Mummy faction.
Their Greek influence is, I think, heavily displayed in how we portray them, in their cities, armies, characters and temples.

[Tombl]

I'm glad to hear that, I really am

[dvk901]

Incidentally, to answer your question about the 'Pharos' and other 'Wonders'...they were removed because of the idiotic and hard coded bonuses they gave.

[Tombl]

Well, every wonder is in the game, but Pharos isn't.

And still nobody knows why Alexandria is in the desert near the nile? Not in the Nile delta?