Jesus and his relation to Islam, Judaism, and Christianity: Or Hollywood Religion in General

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

No, Moslems don't believe that Jesus was the messiah.


Think of it like a movie. The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament is the sequel. Then the Qu’ran comes out, and it retcons the last one like it never happened. There’s still Jesus, but he’s not the main character anymore, and the messiah hasn’t shown up yet.


Jews like the fist movie but ignored the sequels, Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesn’t count, Moslems think the third one was the best, and Mormons like the second one so much they started writing fanfiction that doesn’t fit with ANY of the series canon.

EDIT: My friends told me this was the source.

http://img.moonbuggy.org/think-of-it-like-a-movie/

[Banana Jelly]

That was a perfect simplifacation.

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

No, Moslems don't believe that Jesus was the messiah.


Think of it like a movie. The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament is the sequel. Then the Qu’ran comes out, and it retcons the last one like it never happened. There’s still Jesus, but he’s not the main character anymore, and the messiah hasn’t shown up yet.


Jews like the fist movie but ignored the sequels, Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesn’t count, Moslems think the third one was the best, and Mormons like the second one so much they started writing fanfiction that doesn’t fit with ANY of the series canon.

Copypaste much, eh? At least you could have provided us with a link to the original source:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/1398919.html

[Banana Jelly]

Copypaste much, eh? At least you could have provided us with a link to the original source:
http://wanusmaximus.livejournal.com/1398919.html

Wow, how do you do that? lol

[empr guy]

even i've seen that like 5 times before.
(although i've never seen the source)

[Fiyenyaa]

It's a good metaphor to use movies. They tend to be fictional - and even the ones that are based on reality are distorted out of all proportion.

[Lupu]

This is the best post I have read in a long time .
Edit: Fiyenyaa is missing the point.
Edit: Damn, I repped you for that, I would have anyway but you could at least have shown your source.

[Fiyenyaa]

Edit: Fiyenyaa is missing the point.

Please do tell me how.

[Lupu]

Please do tell me how.

You translated it from "Making fun of Abrahamic religions" to "Religion is fictional ".

[Fiyenyaa]

You translated it from "Making fun of Abrahamic religions" to "Religion is fictional ".

No - I simply chose to take the metaphor to a logical conclusion that made sense to me. I fail to see how that's missing the point.

[Lupu]

No - I simply chose to take the metaphor to a logical conclusion that made sense to me. I fail to see how that's missing the point.

I don't think that was intentional, and seeing messages in everything easily gets weird.

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

Lol, I had someone tell me in real life this exact qoute. So don't stab me in the face for that. I'm not questing the sources of the mates I be hanging with.

[Banana Jelly]

They told you this exactly, with them telling you every detail like that in the source?


But that still is a good thing anyway, would have repped you if you gave the source.

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

Fishy as it may sound but I have a good ear and mind for that sort of thing. They were in the backgrounds on Lap Tops and whatnot.

[Sher Khan]

Jesus is directly referred to as 'the Messiah' in the Quran.

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

Jesus is directly referred to as 'the Messiah' in the Quran.

My question is, how can Muslims believe in Jesus without admitting to a historical fact, that Jesus was crucified? Jesus' crucifixion is described in all four gospels, attested to by other contemporary sources, and regarded as a historical event, yet the Quran completely disregards it and teaches that Jesus wasn't crucified.

...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157)

[Fiyenyaa]

Jesus is directly referred to as 'the Messiah' in the Quran.

But he isn't the son of god - that would be considered blasphemy.

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

Could you show me that?

[Sher Khan]

Could you show me that?

The same verse Power Wizard posts, 4:157.

My question is, how can Muslims believe in Jesus without admitting to a historical fact, that Jesus was crucified? Jesus' crucifixion is described in all four gospels, attested to by other contemporary sources, and regarded as a historical event, yet the Quran completely disregards it and teaches that Jesus wasn't crucified.


"...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157)"

The above is a Quran translated with direct commentary inserted rather than what the actual (vague) text says.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...t.html#004.155

Here the point is made about conjecture and confusion only, and no other supposition is added.


Taken with a critical eye, however, the above verse says something very different. It does not say 'Christ was not crucified' but rather 'they (the Jews) neither killed him nor crucified him as they claim, and they say otherwise only on conjecture.' Considering that the Romans were the ones to nail up Jesus, and that Jesus's fate doesn't appear in Jewish texts, and that any claims by Medieval Jews that they killed Jesus to denounce Christian/Muslim belief of his existence would be mere conjecture, the above seems correct.

But he isn't the son of god - that would be considered blasphemy.

The appellation 'son of God' is an acquired title for Jesus Christ and not the actual, original meaning of the Jewish term 'Messiah,' meaning simply the anointed one.

The discussion should be about the phrase 'son of God,' as only Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

[Fiyenyaa]

The appellation 'son of God' is an acquired title for Jesus Christ and not the actual, original meaning of the Jewish term 'Messiah,' meaning simply the anointed one.

The discussion should be about the phrase 'son of God,' as only Judaism does not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

But Christianity does hold Jesus to be the son of god (and as god himself, confusingly).