Post-modernism is dead?

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  1. Arch-hereticK's Avatar

    Arch-hereticK said:

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    The Alter-modernism Manifesto is:

    POSTMODERNISM IS DEAD

    A new modernity is emerging, reconfigured to an age of globalisation – understood in its economic, political and cultural aspects: an altermodern culture

    Increased communication, travel and migration are affecting the way we live

    Our daily lives consist of journeys in a chaotic and teeming universe

    Multiculturalism and identity is being overtaken by creolisation: Artists are now starting from a globalised state of culture

    This new universalism is based on translations, subtitling and generalised dubbing

    Today’s art explores the bonds that text and image, time and space, weave between themselves

    Artists are responding to a new globalised perception. They traverse a cultural landscape saturated with signs and create new pathways between multiple formats of expression and communication.

    The Tate Triennial 2009 at Tate Britain presents a collective discussion around this premise that postmodernism is coming to an end, and we are experiencing the emergence of a global altermodernity.

    Second, altermodern as translation and trajectory:
    characterised by translation, unlike modernism of the twentieth century, which spoke the abstract language of the colonial West, and postmodernism, which encloses artistic phenomena in origins and identities [...] This evolution can be seen in the way works are made: a new type of form is appearing, the journey-form, made of lines drawn in time and space, materialising trajectories rather than destinations.

    Thirdly, as post-historicist era:
    Altermodernism can be defined as that moment when it became possible for us to produce something that made sense starting from an assumed heterochrony, that is, from a vision of human history as constituted of multiple temporalities, disdaining the nostalgia for the avant-garde and indeed for any kind of era - a positive vision of chaos and complexity.

    Do any artists disagree?
    Does any non-artist understand? (I would like a serious answer on this one).
     
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    MaximiIian said:

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    Makes sense, I suppose. Post-modernism in art gave rise to Cyberpunk and deconstructionism in literature, comics, film, and television.
    Now we're seeing the rise of Post-Cyberpunk and reconstructionist works. Post-post-modern art seems to be taking a less angsty and troubled look at global culture, and is riding the wave rather than freaking out about it.
     
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    Arch-hereticK said:

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    Good stuff Max.

    Yeah, the reason I think why the TATE has taken the reins is because altermodernism promotes money making, and less "angsty" art is more appealing to wealthy grannies and pink skinned CEOs.
     
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    Dr. Croccer said:

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    Thank god.
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    MaximiIian said:

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    Don't get me wrong- I like post-modernism in art. It's incredibly eye-opening and different...at least it was, for a while. Then it kinda got tired and overdone, partly because those following the original, and best, post-modern works of literature, comics, and television (especially animation), got lazy and half-assed it. Think the Dark Age of Comics for examples of this.
    Some of the best and most provocative works have been post-modernist; Neon Genesis Evangelion, for example, or Ghost in the Shell, or Blade Runner, or damn near all of Alan Moore's works, especially Watchmen. They're goddamn classics.

    But reconstruction is a breath of fresh air, and should be welcomed. Things go through cycles of deconstruction, reconstruction, and so on. This shouldn't be stagnated; it is a healthy cycle for artistic media.
     
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    Arch-hereticK said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Don't get me wrong- I like post-modernism in art. It's incredibly eye-opening and different...at least it was, for a while. Then it kinda got tired and overdone, partly because those following the original, and best, post-modern works of literature, comics, and television (especially animation), got lazy and half-assed it. Think the Dark Age of Comics for examples of this.
    The problem I have with post-modernism is desire to be for the hoi-poloi and made with a skill set of a common person but common people just don't/can't/won't get it and then they complain and whine about artists being elitists and frauds, which is damaging.

    Art is for those who care enough to learn the language, which works well in literature as everyone can understand a written language.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Some of the best and most provocative works have been post-modernist; Neon Genesis Evangelion, for example, or Ghost in the Shell, or Blade Runner, or damn near all of Alan Moore's works, especially Watchmen. They're goddamn classics.

    But reconstruction is a breath of fresh air, and should be welcomed. Things go through cycles of deconstruction, reconstruction, and so on. This shouldn't be stagnated; it is a healthy cycle for artistic media.
    I agree, but to be fair reconstruction is an aspect of post-modernism.