How to get rid of AI money cheat.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Could someone tell me what I need to change deep in the files, like what 1 I need to make a 0 to disallow the AI from bringing in money from places it doesn't have? I want to play on fair terms, I don't want to keep going against mega-armies I could never support ever in the same situation and their economy while they deck themselves out with the latest in economic tech (freaking Classical Universities and such).

So, what do I change to turn off AI money cheats? Even if they're going to roll around on the ground flailing and not being able to get a militia army up, then fine. If the AI sucks that much that fine. I just don't want to see Hanover with five full stacks of top-notch units when they have one region with a farm, a crafts shop, and their "Royal Palace".

[theglenlivet12]

Play on normal.


You're welcome.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Play on normal.


You're welcome.

But I am.

[Kip]

Could someone tell me what I need to change deep in the files, like what 1 I need to make a 0 to disallow the AI from bringing in money from places it doesn't have? I want to play on fair terms, I don't want to keep going against mega-armies I could never support ever in the same situation and their economy while they deck themselves out with the latest in economic tech (freaking Classical Universities and such).

So, what do I change to turn off AI money cheats? Even if they're going to roll around on the ground flailing and not being able to get a militia army up, then fine. If the AI sucks that much that fine. I just don't want to see Hanover with five full stacks of top-notch units when they have one region with a farm, a crafts shop, and their "Royal Palace".

Minor factions only have one region - therefore, they can funnel their entire income into upgrading 2 or 3 building slots. Then, they run out of techs, especially if they don't have a university in their region - which means eventually their buildings max out.

When that happens, they can pour their entire income (no matter how meager) into recruiting and upkeeping troops. It allows them to keep (seemingly) inordinately large armies, but its all fair.

[aeoleron9]

Even in Normal there's always a basic income for all factions including the player, majors get 3k and minors get 1.5k per turn. This means, with vanilla upkeep, minors will usually have a much reasonably sized army. I'm guessing you have some mods that changed something in between? Or you just waited too long until the minor's industry is fully developed and therefore has too much money to spend.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Well Hanover was just an example and if you're saying that it's all about the minors...

Well look, it's only 1705 and I'm Poland. The only regions Prussia has now are Bradenburg and Saxony, and they have 3 full stacks of professional troops.

Austria is down to Prague (not for long), Hungary, Croatia, and itself. It has a whole fullstack guarding both Austria and Hungary and another fullstack that is planning to defend Prague when I assault it.

I have all my regions plus the ones they're missing, and I can barely keep 3,000G's coming in even with improved farms, roads, state houses, opera houses, and all upgraded crafts buildings and I only field about 2 full stacks all together, all separated, and not all professional troops.

Not to mention I have some units ransacking both of Prussia's and Austria's industry as much as possible, so how is it they are maintaining these huge armies and churning out more every turn?

[Kip]

So Prussia has two regions, and Austria has 3. Its fairly obvious extrapolation that as your building options decrease, your troop spending increases - and now they're getting a 3,000 per turn stipend (which you get too, ya know, so its still not cheating) instead of the 1,500 per turn stipend of minors. The AI will have different priorities - they might have buildings that remain un-upgraded in lieu of extra soldiers; they also have different tech pursuits, which can lead to buildings being maxed out (e.g. I believe Prussia tends to go for military techs - this will leave them with fewer build options in farms/industry).

You need to find that delicate balance between soldiers and construction to match the AI's troop levels, and in a lot of cases its just not worth doing at all. You can beat them with less soldiers, and the pay-off in the future will always be worth it.

[Leatherneck918]

It is a cheat, i dont know what the others are talking about. I think they do not understand that CA made the AI Factions have money they really dont have (AKA Scripted) and the only Faction using Trade and Taxes for moeny is the Human player. The harder the level the more money and stats the AI Faction Armys/Navys get. Its a cheat. Sorry but, I do not know how to change this...

[Kip]

It is a cheat, i dont know what the others are talking about. I think they do not understand that CA made the AI Factions have money they really dont have (AKA Scripted) and the only Faction using Trade and Taxes for moeny is the Human player. The harder the level the more money and stats the AI Faction Armys/Navys get. Its a cheat. Sorry but, I do not know how to change this...

Human player gets the "free" stipend too.

[empr guy]

this confuses me to. Austria has two regions left near italy (not in). I raid one province completly, and sabatoge both ports. I have a rake near enough to see that all their income gets cut out when i raid/sabatoge. yet they have three full stacks gaurding their capatol, and another stack worth wandering through my lands. Equally odd is that a few turns ago they were bankrupt and it was starting to cause unrest. If anything they bought more troops, and yet they have fully recovered and have more money then me as prussia, when i have what used to belong to Austria, Poland, and i've captured denmark and some northern tarritory and Im trading with pretty much everyone i can.

when i saw the unrest going away, i was like WTF... is there no way to get the AI to disband troops?

[Kip]

Also remember that the AI can go deep into bankruptcy with crappy provincial holdings, but still have massive armies if they recruited them all before their downfall.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

And what if the AI nations are not under-developed? Austria had Royal Palaces (or whatever they're called) in all their regions. Vienna has a maxed out observatory, and most of the little towns are as advanced as they go. All on top of massive armies.

So explain to me, how is it they can get more for less and I'm still stuck with a struggling economy when I'm under similar situations as my AI foes?

[Kip]

And what if the AI nations are not under-developed? Austria had Royal Palaces (or whatever they're called) in all their regions. Vienna has a maxed out observatory, and most of the little towns are as advanced as they go. All on top of massive armies.

So explain to me, how is it they can get more for less and I'm still stuck with a struggling economy when I'm under similar situations as my AI foes?

You also said its the year 1705. Something in your story isn't gelling.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

You also said its the year 1705. Something in your story isn't gelling.

What exactly? And if anything shouldn't that say something is wrong?

FYI, when I said "advanced as they go", I meant with whatever the AI has for tech.

[Kip]

What exactly? And if anything shouldn't that say something is wrong?

FYI, when I said "advanced as they go", I meant with whatever the AI has for tech.

Oooh, gotcha, I'm sorry. I misread you - I thought you meant they were fully upgraded to Royal Palaces / Royal Observatories and the like. Which would obviously be impossible in 1705

i think your misunderstanding, they had armies before, but when they went into bankrupcy they magically recovered one turn and now recruit more troops and still have money to spare.

You're right, I did misunderstand. I can't explain the magical recovery...

[empr guy]

Also remember that the AI can go deep into bankruptcy with crappy provincial holdings, but still have massive armies if they recruited them all before their downfall.

i think your misunderstanding, they had armies before, but when they went into bankrupcy they magically recovered one turn and now recruit more troops and still have money to spare.

[grandpa]

as a user of the ape/ti mod, i hav a much different experience. All factions start out with similar strength, very expensive units, upgrades etc etc. however I have found that upgrading the palaces give you increased gold pieces per turn. In most cases that is 30 wealth generated for that city, per turn. after 30 turns, that regions wealth has increased to the point that you can put a unit into production almost every turn,if you have more than one or two regions. Currently I am playing as sweden, and have a little over 125,000 GP. The only real challenge at that point is working around the manpower/supply, (which is a real challenge) And if you're wealthy, so is the better of the AI's, and having multiple stacks. I once paraded into france with my 1 stack, against poland, and low and behold, there were 20 polish stacks, once FOW was lifted. (no joke i got pics lol). So in my rambling summary, upgrade them palaces as fast as you possibly can, and you too will bring in the GP, regardless of alot of other income aspects that are prone to distruction / blocking. Nice discussion by all, i have enjoyed reading everyones post. Cheers

[aorda14]

i believe everyone is looking at this the wrong way.ok the AI does not follow the same rules as we the player do. so tip the scales.

what i do is i use a money cheat, give myself 999,999,999.

I then disperse it through the major countries. You end up with HUGE armies. I was playing as france once, and I was invaded by 20 full stacks of armies. It makes for epic battles...

just a suggestion if you dont like the economics of the game

[TheFirstONeill]

moved to mod workshop

[Lazy Knight]

so to finally answer your question, now that it made it into the mod workshop:

Download and start DBEditor. (you find it here on the workshop, tools&tutorials section)

Go to campaign_difficulty_handicap_tables, click file, new campaign_difficulty_handicap_table, select in a new file, name it whatever you want. Copy the old table, paste it into the new one, set the 4th column to 0 on every entry. Save. Enable your new mod that disables the AI bonusses and have fun.