Teenage Pregnancy

[evenflowjimbo]

I don't know if this fits in this forum, but I thought morals and this came to mind. I am 23 and as I grew up in this world I started to notice how this generation is going down the crapper. Don't get me wrong, I like sex than the next person, but when I see 15 year olds getting pregnant and thinking it's cool just makes me sick. Hell, even when I see 18 year olds get pregnant it pisses me off. Why? Because they takes like twenty million pictures and post them on myspace and all her top friends are pregnant as well with the same pictures. Some of them boyfriends left them or joined the military, while others decide to be atleast kinda mature and stay with her. However, most of them just want to let their parents take care of their child while they go out and get pregnant again... and who has to pay for all these babies? The tax payers! I would go on, but I feel like I would get this post deleted haha. Anyone else pissed at this rising problem?

[Lyonn]

honestly, I wouldn't consider it a rising problem as its been around for ages
15, 16 year old girls were considered women of breeding age in most cultures in the past

but I think the true problem lies in the sheer number of babies being born. Whereas it used to not be that big a problem, with worldwide populations being no more than a few million, nowadays, with world wide populations approaching 7 billion, it's really becoming a problem

so does it piss me off?
no, not really

should actions be taken to curtail it's proliferation?
of course

[evenflowjimbo]

honestly, I wouldn't consider it a rising problem as its been around for ages
15, 16 year old girls were considered women of breeding age in most cultures in the past

but I think the true problem lies in the sheer number of babies being born. Whereas it used to not be that big a problem, with worldwide populations being no more than a few million, nowadays, with world wide populations approaching 7 billion, it's really becoming a problem

so does it piss me off?
no, not really

should actions be taken to curtail it's proliferation?
of course

I wouldn't care so much if they actually took care of their children instead of popping one after another out and having someone else take care of them. As we evolve and become less civilized everyone day I think it is a rising problem.

Anyone seen Idiocracy? Now, I am not taking knowledge from a movie, but you can't help see our future when you look at theirs. As in only the dumb breed while the smart ones just pick the right time... which is never in that movie haha.

[Phier]

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L.
Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277
(1953)."

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."

Who wrote that, and when do you think it was written?... it is an
extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274!

Kids are idiots every generation.

[Lupu]

Kids are idiots every generation.

No, adults are hypocrites every generation.

[ELITEOFKINGWARMAN8]

They are horny, what you expect? Horny and stupid.


Besides, our parents were not any better.

[evenflowjimbo]

They are horny, what you expect? Horny and stupid.


Besides, our parents were not any better.

Who isn't? And yeah, but our past generations would pop out babies because of war and such. I just think it's time to look further into this problem, because the economy is getting worse and more people isn't going to help.

[spiderman101]

No, adults are hypocrites every generation.

wrong, the kids are the morons, and judging by your post you are also a child

[Lupu]

wrong, the kids are the morons, and judging by your post you are also a child

No, children are not any more stupid than their parents were, all that talk about how much better kids were "back in the old days" is a bad joke. If it all was true(and remember that it has been said every generation), imagine what it would be like.

[boofhead]

No, children are not any more stupid than their parents were, all that talk about how much better kids were "back in the old days" is a bad joke. If it all was true(and remember that it has been said every generation), imagine what it would be like.

You're right, kids are as dumb now as kids were when I was a kid.

Thing is the circumstances for their stupidity change. Now kids can be dumb on mobile phones and the internet. They can be dumb with CDs and DVDs. They can be so dumb that they give their details to some fat naked pedo from across the pond.

Those didn't even exist when I was a kid. I used to be dumb listening to ABBA on the radio. Now that was so dumb that everyone thought it was cool. At least it was harmless.

Now kids can be dumb and get raped by some pedo sodomite in the process!

Can't stop progress now, can we?

[Phier]

No, adults are hypocrites every generation.

Children are stupid by default, they can't help it. The hypocritical nature of adults is only if they dont' see their own childhood as stupid. I look back at myself at most of this forums age and realize what a complete dumbarse I really was. Arrogant without accomplishment, and high on my own potential. And I didn't make many real mistakes at that age either, I would have been considered a 'good' kid who didn't binge drink, do drugs, or flunk out of school. Twenty years of reality corrects a lot of that idiocy, I'd say I started to get a real clue around 30.

[Strelok]

while kids are indeed stupid, it is up to us adults to teach them how to Do IT Right.

While some kids are indeed stupid, it is up to us adults to teach them our philosophical views as we were taught by our parents and our society and our environment and enforce them as an inherent objective truth!

Twenty years of reality corrects a lot of that idiocy

Twenty years of reality as you percieve it and within the certain environments you lived in that lead you to conclude to result B instead of A. I think this claim itself has a bit of arrogance.

Children are stupid by default, they can't help it

Although mental growth doesn't stop in terms of development of the brain until 21, it's still relative. I wonder how the intelligence of a 10 year old in a developed country and residing in a credible school would compare to a 10 year old a thousand years ago.

[Phier]

Twenty years of reality as you percieve it and within the certain environments you lived in that lead you to conclude to result B instead of A. I think this claim itself has a bit of arrogance.

Talk to me in 20 years after you have accomplished something besides grades and have a few kids of your own

I don't expect you to 'get' it any more than I would have got it at your age.

[Strelok]

Talk to me in 20 years after you have accomplished something besides grades and have a few kids of your own

Still just a different subjective perception of reality, because of our consciousness, which is basically the birth of subjectivity itself. It's raining under the sea, we just haven't noticed.

Having kids is something I don't plan on doing, for multiple reasons. If I wanted to have kids twenty years from now, that is just me being even more enslaved to my Human nature than I already am. I'd rather have my conciousness have a say in such a thing, instead of my emotions and instinct. Though people may argue that: to say that is like denying myself to breathe air or eating food, but honestly, there are inconviences that come with having kids, that I do not want to experience, at least for me. Some people may not view such repurcussions as a problem, but I do. Emotional rewardment is something I don't always care about, either.

Experiencing life for another 20 years will probably change my opinions on things, but that doesn't make them better than my current opinion now or vice versa. Both personalities between me right now, and me 20 years from now, still have no real way of telling (that I know of) that one viewpoint is better than the other, objectively.

Though the interesting thing is: is that I truly don't care about anything.

Hence why I consider such a statement the result of the stereotypical mid-life complex, where they might feel their opinions are superior to those younger than them. I see it a lot and I don't intend to claim that you fit that criteria, but I see signs of such.

[Phier]

Still just a different subjective perception of reality, because of our consciousness, which is basically the birth of subjectivity itself. It's raining under the sea, we just haven't noticed.

Having kids is something I don't plan on doing, for multiple reasons. If I wanted to have kids twenty years from now, that is just me being even more enslaved to my Human nature than I already am. I'd rather have my conciousness have a say in such a thing, instead of my emotions and instinct. Though people may argue that: to say that is like denying myself to breathe air or eating food, but honestly, there are inconviences that come with having kids, that I do not want to experience, at least for me. Some people may not view such repurcussions as a problem, but I do. Emotional rewardment is something I don't always care about, either.

I don't think many 19-20 year olds say they want kids. Even less these days because childhood has been extended until about 25 (and I'm not saying thats a bad thing on some levels). But I will tell you this, you won't understand being human until you have children. Its not possible. I had my kids when I was over 30, and I can't imagine going back.

Experiencing life for another 20 years will probably change my opinions on things, but that doesn't make them better than my current opinion now or vice versa. Both personalities between me right now, and me 20 years from now, still have no real way of telling (that I know of) that one viewpoint is better than the other, objectively.

Its not like I can't recall 20 years ago, pretty clearly really, and my opinions on things then were not as good. Think of it this way, if you can't learn from your mistakes in 20 years, you have major issues, you do get better with age. At some point obviously the wear of age takes you down a notch, but I'm happily not there yet.

Though the interesting thing is: is that I truly don't care about anything.

Hence why I consider such a statement the result of the stereotypical mid-life complex, where they might feel their opinions are superior to those younger than them. I see it a lot and I don't intend to claim that you fit that criteria, but I see signs of such.

Such is life in the silverback stage.

[Monarchist]

Still just a different subjective perception of reality, because of our consciousness, which is basically the birth of subjectivity itself. It's raining under the sea, we just haven't noticed.

Having kids is something I don't plan on doing, for multiple reasons. If I wanted to have kids twenty years from now, that is just me being even more enslaved to my Human nature than I already am. I'd rather have my conciousness have a say in such a thing, instead of my emotions and instinct. Though people may argue that: to say that is like denying myself to breathe air or eating food, but honestly, there are inconviences that come with having kids, that I do not want to experience, at least for me. Some people may not view such repurcussions as a problem, but I do. Emotional rewardment is something I don't always care about, either.

Experiencing life for another 20 years will probably change my opinions on things, but that doesn't make them better than my current opinion now or vice versa. Both personalities between me right now, and me 20 years from now, still have no real way of telling (that I know of) that one viewpoint is better than the other, objectively.

Though the interesting thing is: is that I truly don't care about anything.

Hence why I consider such a statement the result of the stereotypical mid-life complex, where they might feel their opinions are superior to those younger than them. I see it a lot and I don't intend to claim that you fit that criteria, but I see signs of such.

God, give me the strength to deal with young people who think they know everything! I myself am only 21, but I take comfort in the fact that I know nothing. I believe Phier is wrong in his atheism, but as he is much older than I am and also has vastly more experience with life, I must defer to him in matters of wisdom. There is a certain degeneracy in the world today that parents don't stop their arrogant children in claiming they're so wise. Young men have always thought themselves invincible and wise, and we almost always prove to be neither. It is imperative that we shut up and listen to our elders who have almost a whole generation on us. Sheer arrogance and folly can only result from thinking we know everything they know.

I want to take up a bolt of lightning and throw it from the holy mountain-top of Admission down to the valley of Arrogance. I want to watch it gallop down the escarpments, flowing into the rivers and shocking the life out of young people. "We know everything, and thirty years on us are NOTHING!"

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Agreed. The scary part is I'm dating one of those kinds who think getting pregnant is cool and plan to leach off her family and me for support, after she drops out. She has this all planned out, and it scares the out of me.

I just wish they'd wake up and see what kind of life they'd actually live with a kid. The complete humiliation and shunning from your peers and students due to your overly large stomach, the throwing up and all those other fun things that come with pregnancy, not to mention birth pains and the kid afterward. All the crying and the work involved! Without an education to back some kind of decent job? Almost impossible.

There should almost be a test that you need to pass to have a chastity device removed from your nether regions in order to stop this kind of crap.

[evenflowjimbo]

There should almost be a test that you need to pass to have a chastity device removed from your nether regions in order to stop this kind of crap.

Yeah, that and they wouldn't want to wear low pants with their panties showing if they wore that lol. But hey, I understand them to en extent. When I was around 16 all I wanted to do was go to parties and try to get laid. Now I am more mature and think the bar scene is just a big herpes convention. In the 70's or so free love and such was all over, but that time we didn't have that many people as we do now. It's scary to see teen girls these days worried that the only thing to fit in is to bang someone. Guys are not better either, as we only care about one thing... sex. But hey, I guess you can't blame us, we were born this way haha. Nah. I blame everyone actually and I know nothing will be done because what is there that you can do? You have sooo much condom commercials and wild parties that it's hard to go another route without being a complete dork.

[Arbitrary Crusader]

Agreed. The scary part is I'm dating one of those kinds who think getting pregnant is cool and plan to leach off her family and me for support, after she drops out. She has this all planned out, and it scares the out of me.

I never heard getting pregnant is cool?

[evenflowjimbo]

I never heard getting pregnant is cool?

*Checking sarcasm meter?*

Not to tell you that you're wrong, it's just we've seen this plenty of times and know people that think it's cool to be pregnant and to have the kid to carry like it was a purse.