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    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If any among your women asks permission to go to the mosque, don't stop her from going. But in some Muslim societies overseas, they don't let women in the mosques. They've turned the mosques into men-only clubs, contrary to what the Prophet ordered.

    In North America and Britain, hard as it is to believe, too many Muslims have brought over this ignorant attitude and many mosques here don't allow women in. It's hard to understand why anybody would perpetuate such un-Islamic injustice.

    And among those mosques that do let women in, I'm sorry to say that most of the ones I have seen relegate the women to an inferior status. They banish them to basement rooms or other segregated spaces. Too often the second-class spaces allotted to the women are poorly maintained, uncomfortable, cramped, filthy, or otherwise substandard, while the men reserve the best areas for their exclusive use. This kind of treatment makes the preaching about women's status being equal in Islam sound awfully hollow. Too many places don't allow women any chance to speak and be heard, let alone have any say in the way the mosque is run.

    Too many religions throughout history have put down women and condemned them as inferior beings. A little-known fact is that Islam brought by Prophet Muhammad is the first religion to raise women's status to be equal with men. You couldn't tell that nowadays when Muslim countries are among the worst in their unjust treatment of women (especially the Taliban). Talk about ahsan al-taqwîm degenerating into asfal sâfilîn. This is a major disgrace, the best of religions for women behaving as the worst. As Malcolm X said, the fate of a nation depends on how it treats its women.

    If some mullas insist on absolute apartheid between men and women, that is going to an extreme (and one could point out several examples from the Sahâbah to contradict it), and good Muslims shouldn't go to extremes. The danger of total sexual apartheid is that Muslim women become marginalized, have no say in their lives, no voice, no access to decision-making that affects their lives; it seems more a matter of the male elite protecting their privilege of power by treating women as infants.

    There are many examples from the very earliest Islam of Muslim women exercising their God-given rights and freedoms to the fullest extent, rights and freedoms which the mullas of later generations succeeded in denying to them. If Muslim women were able to make their voices heard instead of being suppressed by this extreme apartheid, then men in Muslim countries could not so easily get away with beatings, burnings, rapes, and denial of basic human rights like education, employment, and medical care.

    In the original Prophet's Mosque in Medina, the women and men all prayed in one open space, with no sexual apartheid. The best mosques that I have seen in America follow the Prophet's model. In a few enlightened mosques, like the ADAMS Mosque in Virginia, the women pray in the same large room as the men, they can speak to everyone, and they can vote in mosque elections and be elected to office (they recently nominated a woman for vice-president in a mosque election; now let's see one become president!). I love that mosque because it is a family-friendly environment; whole families can attend together in an open, welcoming atmosphere. The mosque needs to be responsive to every Muslim in the community, equally. I chose to live in this community because the mosque here accords my wife and daughters their full dignity as spiritual human beings.

    http://www.islamfortoday.com/womeninmosques.htm

    Well it's completely Un-islamic if Muhammad pbuh himself said that women cannot be denied right to Mosque. In America, the local Mosque, ban's women from the same room as men who pray. And another mosque I went to, made a Purdah (Curtain) covering women from men, while in the same room. If it clearly states in the Hadith also that women should have equal right as men have, why now? Im a muslim, but I just want to know, why are Islamic states and other Imams who own mosques so Un-Islamic? Don't even get me started with the Taliban.

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    If you can't even shake hands without promoting lust how could you bend over together in the same room?

    And I mean that somewhat seriously.
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    If you can't even shake hands without promoting lust how could you bend over together in the same room?
    ....

    What the are you talking about?

    Well, just put the women in the back. Then men cant see women. Women don't see lust in men, rather it happens vice versa. But I don't see that happening in any Mosque I go to.
    I believe that men and women should pray side by side, and that women should also lead prayers with men. Thats how they did it at my old mosque in Pakistan.

    And honestly, i think that the prophet said they should be separated so he could try to get rid of the massive load of BS that women got from men in pre-islamic arabia, like all the sexual harassment and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pspguy123 View Post
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    What the are you talking about?
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...40#post6744240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier
    Don't you DARE belittle my religious beliefs or the beliefs of my people in this thread. These were given to me directly from God.
    Was that satire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by House M.D View Post
    Was that satire?
    The Church of Touchy Feely is serious business.
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    okay? so some random arab jackass can dictate what I can and can't do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspguy123 View Post
    okay? so some random arab jackass can dictate what I can and can't do?
    If you go back to that thread op.

    The answer to that question is quite obviously, yes.
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    Well, just put the women in the back. Then men cant see women. Women don't see lust in men, rather it happens vice versa. But I don't see that happening in any Mosque I go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monopolist View Post
    Women don't see lust in men, rather it happens vice versa.
    O rly?
    Protip: women are just as fast as men at determining if someone is physically attractive. For both genders the time spent is roughly somewhere between 2 and 3 seconds.

    OT.
    The mosques I've been to had either some sort of seperation in the room or mixed prayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    O rly?
    Protip: women are just as fast as men at determining if someone is physically attractive. For both genders the time spent is roughly somewhere between 2 and 3 seconds.
    Any scientific source(s) for that claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by House M.D View Post
    Any scientific source(s) for that claim?
    I've come across it in textbooks, magazines, tv programs and such. I'd imagine there's something floating around on the internet as well, but can't go searching atm. We (humans, not only women) categorise and prioritize so to speak visual impressions within 3 seconds. This goes for advertising, art, etc. The time from first looking at something to determining whether that something (in this case a man) is pleasing to the eye is measured in seconds just like all other visual impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by House M.D View Post
    Any scientific source(s) for that claim?
    Real data is hard to find due to the plethora of 'how to seduced hot women' on the internet, but just hang out with horny women a bit.

    Women looking for a 'good time' are much like men in how they approach attraction. Looking for a mate though had different criteria. In the casual sex world the less attractive man is not going to be doing so well with women who can do better, but give him traits that make him a leader/wealthy etc and he might end up getting married to a woman who would never have given him a second look for a one night stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    O rly?
    Protip: women are just as fast as men at determining if someone is physically attractive. For both genders the time spent is roughly somewhere between 2 and 3 seconds.
    It takes months for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iudas View Post
    It takes months for me...
    Then, quite clearly, you aren't human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iudas View Post
    It takes months for me...
    Oh?
    So you've never, say, walked towards someone on the street, seen them and pretty much immediately formed an opinion on whether the person was attractive or not? Unless you haven't yet entered puberty I find that difficult to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    Oh?
    So you've never, say, walked towards someone on the street, seen them and pretty much immediately formed an opinion on whether the person was attractive or not? Unless you haven't yet entered puberty I find that difficult to believe.
    Depends on what a person considers to be attractive tho.
    A woman might be good-looking but that doesn't mean I will be attracted to her for example.
    Women that appears to have y aura about them I tend to find very unattractive, no matter how good looking they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visna View Post
    O rly?
    Protip: women are just as fast as men at determining if someone is physically attractive. For both genders the time spent is roughly somewhere between 2 and 3 seconds.

    OT.
    The mosques I've been to had either some sort of seperation in the room or mixed prayers.
    Well lol. Women go for personality rather then looks. Men go for physical appearence more then personality. Why do men craze for sex more then women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monopolist View Post
    Well lol. Women go for personality rather then looks. Men go for physical appearence more then personality. Why do men craze for sex more then women?
    Sweeping generalisations of 51% of the human race are we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monopolist View Post
    Well, just put the women in the back. Then men cant see women. Women don't see lust in men, rather it happens vice versa. But I don't see that happening in any Mosque I go to.
    You are joking, right? I guess that's why women never have affairs, only want sex when their husbands want them to, and never :wub:. Oh, wait a second, that's absolute rubbish.

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