A herd with no predator.

[Amorphos]

A herd with no predator.

If threatened with overpopulation animals and birds appear to have an instinct by which they destroy their young. For the human herd, it does’t go by such ‘instincts’ nor has a predator [in the main].
When we consider that humans have been top of the food chain for a very long time, perhaps the human genome has adjusted to this, hence x amount of humans will act like predators and some others are genetically homosexual. Our genes seam designed to naturally produce way to keep its numbers down, does this make war, and homosexuality natural? are criminality and factionalism also a reaction to this.

jus wondrin.

[empr guy]

yes, it wouldnt surprise me if this was part of our genes. you have to admit, no matter how bad wars have been, if we haddent had them we probaly would have killed each other fighting over resources by now...

[Arch-hereticK]

I've thought that for quite a while.

It's also something that happens to genetically deficient species, such as pandas and freisian cows have been observed (by me) intentionally eating posionous plants (that cause premature birth) only when they are pregnant.

So maybe some abortions are natural too.

[Amorphos]

Exactly, nature is not politically correct, that doesn’t mean we should intentionally be immoral, it just means we can understand how it all works and accept that. Perhaps we have almost gone past wars what with nukes n all, maybe gang warfare is the new medium for it.

Maybe women choose abortions for reasons even they don’t know? Same instinct as animals perhaps.

not sure i am just going over ideas in my mind.

oh and i didnt mean to put homosexuality in the same bag as war and crime, they are two different ways nature combats the herd with no predator.

[Bleda]

A herd with no predator.

If threatened with overpopulation animals and birds appear to have an instinct by which they destroy their young. For the human herd, it does’t go by such ‘instincts’ nor has a predator [in the main].
When we consider that humans have been top of the food chain for a very long time, perhaps the human genome has adjusted to this, hence x amount of humans will act like predators and some others are genetically homosexual. Our genes seam designed to naturally produce way to keep its numbers down, does this make war, and homosexuality natural? are criminality and factionalism also a reaction to this.

jus wondrin.

Humans are social animals, but we are not herd animals and there is a difference.

Your post though, is purely speculative. Homosexuals are not nature's cure for violence, or population control and what makes you think a predator can't be homosexual?

Of course war is natural. Violence between social groups is present in ALL species that have social groups.

Typically the wealthier, more developed populations have fewer children than poorer societies. Despite that humans in poorer regions are more densely populated and have fewer resources, they still have a higher birth rate.

Hmmm... so I guess I can answer your entire post with one word: NO.

[Tacitursa]

Are you suggesting that overpopulation = homosexuals?

[empr guy]

Your post though, is purely speculative. Homosexuals are not nature's cure for violence, or population control and what makes you think a predator can't be homosexual?

yea thats why he put "just wonderin"....

But how could homosexuals not help with population? how many gay males have a bunch of children with women? (help, not cure) and where does it say homosexuals cure violence?

Typically the wealthier, more developed populations have fewer children than poorer societies. Despite that humans in poorer regions are more densely populated and have fewer resources, they still have a higher birth rate.
.

and they have poorer standerds of living and are more likley to die then a richer person who can afford medical treatment and such. The higher rate of birth would most likley mean more homosexuals too, if only because there are more people.

[Amorphos]

bleda

Humans are social animals, but we are not herd animals and there is a difference

It was just to generalise the human group.

Your post though, is purely speculative. Homosexuals are not nature's cure for violence, or population control and what makes you think a predator can't be homosexual?

I wasn’t saying they are a cure for violence? My reasoning is that homosexuality is probably genetic or at least some people have such a disposition, hence the human genome creates x amount of them per population count. This seams like a good way to try and counter our overpopulation. Mainly when you consider that we have been top dog for so long one would thing there would be a response to that from evolution.

emprguy

Thanks!

[TheXand]

I wasn’t saying they are a cure for violence? My reasoning is that homosexuality is probably genetic or at least some people have such a disposition, hence the human genome creates x amount of them per population count.

I'm pretty sure that a person's sexuality isn't related to their genes, it certainly hasn't been proven yet anyway.

[Garnier]

I was under the impression that evolution had to do with natural selection which causes the "less fit" to die out. Homosexuals who don't reproduce die out by definition. If the premise is that homosexuality is genetic, then still, why would those who genetically have more likelihood of it be more or less "fit"?

[Phier]

I'm pretty sure that a person's sexuality isn't related to their genes, it certainly hasn't been proven yet anyway.

Right because reproduction and sexuality would have nothing to do with genetics

I'm too lazy right now to get into this but read this and get back to me.

[empr guy]

It could always be one of those genes thats only activated by other stimulants (like the homeoboxes), in this case the stimulant is population?

[Adrian]

The way I see it we are the very representation of "nature" and the "universe" so by that standard everything about us is "natural" since we define and shape nature and since we are created as part of it.


And why would we need a predator when we are the might and the most majestic part of nature everything evolves struggles and competes so we do too the weaker part of nature dies we are the strongest part of nature as long as we survive the rest can die since we represent nature and its evolution.

[Amorphos]

I was under the impression that evolution had to do with natural selection which causes the "less fit" to die out. Homosexuals who don't reproduce die out by definition. If the premise is that homosexuality is genetic, then still, why would those who genetically have more likelihood of it be more or less "fit"?

Survival also depends on not overpopulating, when that happens we would probably eat everything in sight and cause mass starvation. Genes don’t have ethics, they just develop way to combat given situations, and for humans overpopulation has probably happened a few times.

as long as we survive the rest can die since we represent nature and its evolution

You wouldn’t want us to overpopulate and eat all livestock etc, that would mean there would be none left and we’d all be vegetarians.

[basics]

Whilst trying to keep the obvious out of the equation, is it not noteworthy to notice that man has not individually made himself the superior being on this planet? He has by outside abilities alongside numbers been able to establish this.

By that I mean able to make weapons to kill and numbers to do the killing where if this had not been the case it is doubtful that he would have survived at all. So in one respect had he to rely on his genes without the aid of brain to make his weapons and the herd instinct to use them can you be sure that he would be top of the pile today?

The film Planet of the Apes is an example of what I write about. What if the apes or something else had the wherewithall to do what man has done, where would we then be? In the fields procreating to give beef to some other species as they are with us? That pure chance made us the largest predator on the planet and still growing without an answer to ourselves is really scary.

[empr guy]

assuming this video is reversed, does this have any relavence?

That pure chance made us the largest predator on the planet and still growing without an answer to ourselves is really scary.

what pure chance are you talking about? i believe the subject was evolution, not pure chance.

[basics]

" what pure chance are you talking about? i believe the subject was evolution, not pure chance."

empr guy,

But evolution came about by pure chance, a very large chaotic bang I believe is the origin leading onto what was not in existence becoming existant that in its turn made a single-celled creature eventually into us. Now if that is not pure chance what is?

[Arch-hereticK]

But evolution came about by pure chance, a very large chaotic bang I believe is the origin leading onto what was not in existence becoming existant that in its turn made a single-celled creature eventually into us. Now if that is not pure chance what is?

The inevitable outcome of matter and energy existing for a near infinite amount of time.

[empr guy]

But evolution came about by pure chance, a very large chaotic bang I believe is the origin leading onto what was not in existence becoming existant

well first, the big bang was originally a derogatory term used by believers in the steady state idea of the universe. The big bang was an expansion from a singularity, meaning it was almost infanitly small, and there would have been no noise. Also the big bang didnt create the matter, it was an expanision, but im sure judging and decideing whats true by what its called will be valid one day.

that in its turn made a single-celled creature eventually into us. Now if that is not pure chance what is?

the big bang turned single celled organisms into humans? this is the disscussion and debate section, if you are going to debate please know what your talking about. a system like evolution would be unavoidable unless creatures couldn't die or if their enviornments never changed. Neathier of these is true.

[Nietzsche]

So choices have nothing to do with it... it's inevitability... how... damning...