How can I win this battle?

[TheGreenTurtle]

Ok, what about defeating this?

It was a 3v3, on Syrian ridge (I think..), the map had the little cliff/mounds in middle, with some bodies of water (lakes..) throughout the center. 2 of the other team were US. Their other guy wasnt rly important. Anyhow, the US guys I believe each had 4-5 long riflemen, 4-5 Marines/Marylands' 1st, I think 2 units of Howizters, and maybe some more...but they pushed up just below the middle highground/hill. They set their Howizt. in the center areas towards their half, and had the long riflemen in front...line inf. behind the Howitz. Everytime I approached their rifles with mine, I got demolished by their rifles and moreso the percs and qlime...sucked! My cav was no use as they were shot and routed without getting a kill...I could not flank whatsoever bc of map and the spread of the rifles and armies...

Any suggestions?

[Hekko]

Ok, what about defeating this?

It was a 3v3, on Syrian ridge (I think..), the map had the little cliff/mounds in middle, with some bodies of water (lakes..) throughout the center. 2 of the other team were US. Their other guy wasnt rly important. Anyhow, the US guys I believe each had 4-5 long riflemen, 4-5 Marines/Marylands' 1st, I think 2 units of Howizters, and maybe some more...but they pushed up just below the middle highground/hill. They set their Howizt. in the center areas towards their half, and had the long riflemen in front...line inf. behind the Howitz. Everytime I approached their rifles with mine, I got demolished by their rifles and moreso the percs and qlime...sucked! My cav was no use as they were shot and routed without getting a kill...I could not flank whatsoever bc of map and the spread of the rifles and armies...

Any suggestions?

Without a replay it's hard to say. Anyway, what army did you bring?

[TheGreenTurtle]

Well I was Prussia, with 3 Jaegars, 2 Light goons, 1 2nd hussar, 1 house cav, and the rest were line inf.

[daniu]

Well I was Prussia, with 3 Jaegars, 2 Light goons, 1 2nd hussar, 1 house cav, and the rest were line inf.

It's still hard to tell for a 3v3...
generally, I would say you have a huge line advantage, I can imagine the howitzers being a big pain if you stand still for too long.
Move in swiftly, keep the marines from shooting by going into melee against them (they'll win that too, but it gives you time to get rid of the howitzers), then surround.
If the rifles run, chase with cav, if not, engage in firefight or melee.

[aletoledo]

that map is hard to maneuver on. if you're not getting blocked by the water, then the heat is tiring your men out quickly. Therefore this map seems to be all about chokepoints and forcing your opponent into them. The only way I see to accomplish this is to take along more howitzers than your opponent. Homestead is similar in this way, that you either be prepared to move straight in to attack or you're going to get worn down my howitzers.

If you don't want to simply take more artillery to the fight, then you need to get used to going on the offensive early (and being good at it). Artillery fire (particularly howitzers) is a damage over time issue. If you sit and wait for your opponent to make the first move, he's simply going to sit and wait you out, since you're losing more and more men the longer you wait.

So what practical advice can be said about this map? Rush to the middle and get the crest covered before he can move units up to it. Cavalry usually is best for this, since your line won't make it there quickly enough. An early aggressive stance like this will give your opponent pause and make him think twice about about setting up on the hill unchallenged.

[TheGreenTurtle]

Ok, well disregard the 3v3....I mainly fought the guy in front of me, and then his buddy hit my flank when I was almost done..

There was little space (width) on the map due to terrain...I did try and charge their rifles but there were so many that shot at my horses they all (almost) died and then routed....also the howitz. took out some cav. on the move

My Jaegars didnt do much damage...I dont know why...but the Howitz. made them route... And everytime I marched up my line inf. they got destroyed by the damn riflemen...they pulled back (the enenmy rifles), and I get hit with the Howitz...so my line inf. is weakened...Then the enenmy line inf. begins to tear me up as I enter their fire zone (as I must due to their rifles)....all the while an entire army (enenmy's ally) is closing on my flank....

My line inf. soon routes after taking so much fire (Inf. and Howitzer), and my last two line inf. trade shots with the enenmy's line inf...I am outnumbered and die.

LIke I said eariler, my cav was killed at a distance...was difficult...they set up a good position and their damn Howitzer forced me to their Suicide zone

[LiN]

The middle is a non-issue if you ignore it and force them to fight you on the big plain dessert on the sides.

[Soveriegn]

The middle is a non-issue if you ignore it and force them to fight you on the big plain dessert on the sides.

This is also the basic technique to Homestead, but only if you feel like you're not up to going right at them in the center as well...

[LiN]

This is also the basic technique to Homestead, but only if you feel like you're not up to going right at them in the center as well...

Obviously, why else would I go around?

[Asymmetric]

If you can avoid the worst of the chokepoints, the Natives perform very well against howister heavy armies on Syrian ridge.

Like Marathas they are resistant to heat fatigue and are highly suited to rushing forward. On top of this, more or less the entire army has good stamina and you should feel free running it straight towards the tasty positions.

In addition to this, all your infantry units are in loose formations and will take less fire from howister rounds. The natives also have little in the way of expensive/low numbers key units for the enemy bombardments to target. They don't have any guard units or elephants to shell, it's all just a mass of cheap bodies.

Just make sure to take a bunch of musketmen, you'll need them to harass players out of chokepoints.

[Venset]

Perhaps you may need some meatshields? And were your allies on the offensive aswell? If they weren't attacking then It makes you vulnerable to enemy allied flank attacks.

I always play as Maratha so I cannot really help you much because my way of combat has to differ, or I lose. But I find using meatshields (cheap units, but try not to get too low morale if possible) are a good way to take the rifle hits for your main line and engage in melee (depending). Use cavalry to interrupt the enemies firing capabilities and block his cavalry and If possible rout light infantry (if they didn't escape and make sure your meatshields make the enemy use up their volleys from the riflemen and line infantry first). Get some firing support for any cav vs cav fights If his cavalry force is larger or stronger and also If you can, lure the enemy cavalry into some line infantry and get them into square. (Shoot instead if needed) Don't be afraid to shoot through your meat shields too (units with platoon fire would probably be better shooting through, but I haven't tried, I am guessing fire by rank in this situation may do more harm than good...may)

You will need to try and flank to add debuffs on the enemy. I tend to use infantry in pairs. Since Im Maratha I use War Elephants for morale shock, which turns the tide of my battles, so you will need to find another way to make the enemy run, probably grenadiers or more heavy cavalry would do the trick. If you cannot flank then your gonna have to smash out his flank(s) so you can. When possible keep your units by each other so they feel safe. Hmm I can't really help you much more. This map is difficult (cant spread wide enough for minimal casualties caused by artillery) and I don't use Western Armies, but since you do you can use the choke points alot better.

However I think meat shields may be your answer, at least one of them.

The general idea is to, waste enemy fire, stop them from firing while your own guys fire, apply debuffs, keep your guys buffed and keep your general alive and don't suicide your cavalry. (I personally put my general in my Sikh Musketeer line because that's the safest part of my army lol)

I cannot help you with avoiding the artillery, I personally walk my whole force until they almost in position and then run. Tired units aren't great but sometimes getting to strategic locations first outweighs that downfall and you also don't want a pro artillery user killing you before you can even do anything. So far this hasn't happened to me.

[The_Valiant]

I cannot help you with avoiding the artillery, I personally walk my whole force until they almost in position and then run. Tired units aren't great but sometimes getting to strategic locations first outweighs that downfall and you also don't want a pro artillery user killing you before you can even do anything. So far this hasn't happened to me.

But Marathas also have an advantage in heat, so you can run for a little bit longer before you get tired.

[Spectre11B]

I see a lot of people who ask this type of question: "How do I beat this type of army?" The easiest way to find out is to bring the exact same army, and see how far it gets you against other opponents. I promise you, someone will beat you eventually. Keep the replay and try to repeat what they did.

[daniu]

There was little space (width) on the map due to terrain...I did try and charge their rifles but there were so many that shot at my horses they all (almost) died and then routed....also the howitz. took out some cav. on the move

Yeah, you're not supposed to charge the rifles with your line, not your cav. They may run away, but you'll sooner or later get to the howitzers so at least you're rid of them; you can use your cav to sweep into the retreating long rangers (since they're not able to fire at that time).
If you're up against howitzers: 1. don't stand still; 2. don't use a dense formation, spread as wide as possible (the terrain on SR does prevent that to a point though).

I see a lot of people who ask this type of question: "How do I beat this type of army?" The easiest way to find out is to bring the exact same army, and see how far it gets you against other opponents. I promise you, someone will beat you eventually. Keep the replay and try to repeat what they did.

Wise words... wise words.

[blonkers1234]

I see a lot of people who ask this type of question: "How do I beat this type of army?" The easiest way to find out is to bring the exact same army, and see how far it gets you against other opponents. I promise you, someone will beat you eventually. Keep the replay and try to repeat what they did.

Wise beyond your years dear chap.

[ottomanfan]

i had a similar problem - rifles are a pain in the arse with their 120 range when guarding howitzers....

i think dissallowing rifle units in the game makes for a much fairer and more fun contest....

i thinik they are unrealistically and overly effective as they are numbered half as much as a line unit when histoircally this wasnt the case - they were only very small numbers of men in a rifle unit....