My religion

[ModderN00b]

Let me tell something about my religion:

I am extremly unfundamentalistic christian. Some tell me like:

"God dosen't exist; people made him up because they allways need a hero, that will save the unjustices at the end."

I say:

Something must be at the end. Body dies, but what about bit? It must go somewhere.

And there is a creator! Nothing produces nothing: somebody created that whatever-it-is thing, that resulted in big bang!

What do you think?

[Banana Jelly]

Theres ton's of threads like this, but as alway's, we will reply.


God created the universe.

Now watch the backlash I will receive.

[TheXand]

If the very existence of something presupposes the existence of a creator, then who created the creator? Because I reckon you religious types are all just worshipping the little man

[MaximiIian]

If the very existence of something presupposes the existence of a creator, then who created the creator? Because I reckon you religious types are all just worshipping the little man

Of course, there's nothing wrong with that. I believe that the gods were created by more powerful gods, and they by still more powerful beings. My religion traditionally holds to the belief that the root cause was a Prime Mover, but this being is not of a concern to us. We worship fertility gods, since we are a fertility religion. The point is not to worship the highest being; one should worship the deity that fits best with one's religious system.

[Lysimachus]

Something must be at the end. Body dies, but what about bit? It must go somewhere.

No, once you die you're dead. No joy, no suffering, no boredom, no pain. Eternal darkness.

And there is a creator! Nothing produces nothing: somebody created that whatever-it-is thing, that resulted in big bang!

Alright then, a creator that creates the universe and then after that does nothing at all to help what he's created in any way.

By the way are we all speaking theoretically or are you serious about this little religion you've invented?

[Katsumoto]

No, once you die you're dead. No joy, no suffering, no boredom, no pain. Eternal darkness.

Alright then, a creator that creates the universe and then after that does nothing at all to help what he's created in any way.

Don't make definite statements about something as complex as religion. You have absolutely nothing to prove your claims, just like everybody here. We can only presume.

[TheXand]

Don't make definite statements about something as complex as religion. You have absolutely nothing to prove your claims, just like everybody here. We can only presume.

That's why religion is so hilarious, because it is so overly presumptious, with absolutely no proof at all.

[Lysimachus]

Don't make definite statements about something as complex as religion. You have absolutely nothing to prove your claims, just like everybody here. We can only presume.

Why not? Religion simply makes people feel better about death because the idea of darkness is unappealing and so ideas of a glorious afterlife seemed to appeal to them? When you're dead, your whole body has shut down so there is nothing "there".

Hmm?

But as the Quran said, the un-believer will be ignorant to such things.

Yes and we know how accurate holy books are. Full of outdated beliefs and hypocrisy.

One must be blind-sided to not see how he has helped what he created in the first place.

But if someone creates something, naturally they would want to preserve it and carve it in their ideal image unless God isn't subject to emotions?

[Katsumoto]

That's why religion is so hilarious, because it is so overly presumptious, with absolutely no proof at all.

It's the same with Atheism though, the fact is nobody knows, so we can't go around stating 'This happens when you die' when nobody knows, nobody is dead here.

Why not? Religion simply makes people feel better about death because the idea of darkness is unappealing and so ideas of a glorious afterlife seemed to appeal to them? When you're dead, your whole body has shut down so there is nothing "there".

Hmm?

Because you don't know that. Have you been dead? Do you know exactly what happens when you die? No you don't, so don't say this and that happens when you die when you have no idea.

[InsaneHanz]

It's the same with Atheism though, the fact is nobody knows, so we can't go around stating 'This happens when you die' when nobody knows, nobody is dead here.



Because you don't know that. Have you been dead? Do you know exactly what happens when you die? No you don't, so don't say this and that happens when you die when you have no idea.

I would trust his conclusion on death before a religious person. There's no good reason to believe that there is life after death. No proof whatsoever.

Now, should I live my life preparing for the next which probably doesn't exist?

Or should I live it like it were my only?

[Banana Jelly]

Alright then, a creator that creates the universe and then after that does nothing at all to help what he's created in any way.

Ofcourse he did. One must be blind-sided to not see how he has helped what he created in the first place. He created the stars inside the heavens, he created the life which is inside the heavens. But as the Quran said, the un-believer will be ignorant to such things.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Something must be at the end. Body dies, but what about bit? It must go somewhere.

The body rots, the atoms of which you are created become other things, as they do about every 14 years of your life.

[Zimmer]

I used to be like you (OP). Now I'm more of a moderate. God doesn't reveal Himself to just about everyone, you have to look for Him with an open mind and good heart, even if you are an atheist. You shouldn't expect atheists to understand. Most of them do, eventually. I was as atheist as Richard Dawkins a few years ago.

[TheXand]

Most of them do, eventually.

BS, I reckon it's much more common that religious types turn to atheism, for example in my city almost all of the churches have been turned into pubs and nightclubs and very few people are religious kind of proving that atheism is on the rise.

[Banana Jelly]

But if someone creates something, naturally they would want to preserve it and carve it in their ideal image unless God isn't subject to emotions?

But the thing you miss is that god is omnipotent.

Yes and we know how accurate holy books are. Full of outdated beliefs and hypocrisy.

Yes, oh how i would love to hear moar

[Whatacad]

But the thing you miss is that god is omnipotent.

But the thing you miss is that there isn't a god.

So clearly our conclusions will be based on prior conclusions. Each of us believes the other isn't seeing things in the right context, but neither of us is going to lose our context, so I think we're at an impasse.

[Banana Jelly]

But the thing you miss is that there isn't a god.

So clearly our conclusions will be based on prior conclusions. Each of us believes the other isn't seeing things in the right context, but neither of us is going to lose our context, so I think we're at an impasse.

So it's futile... I said that many times before also. But this isn't about does god exist, it's about lysi's assumption that why didn't god do this or that. And that is because god is omnipotent. He can do whatever he want's. It's like when your superman. You will do whatever you want.


Edit: And as Katsumoto said ^, saying your dead and it's total darkness, when you are not dead is not a great argument.

[TheXand]

So it's futile... I said that many times before also. But this isn't about does god exist, it's about lysi's assumption that why didn't god do this or that. And that is because god is omnipotent. He can do whatever he want's. It's like when your superman. You will do whatever you want.

About the whole god being omnipotent I would refer you to that famous Epicurus quote, really does address that issue rather well.

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Edit: And as Katsumoto said ^, saying your dead and it's total darkness, when you are not dead is not a great argument.

It's still a better argument than all that make believe in the Koran and Bible though..

It's the same with Atheism though, the fact is nobody knows, so we can't go around stating 'This happens when you die' when nobody knows, nobody is dead here.

A fair and logical point, and one that I agree with.

[Banana Jelly]

It's still a better argument than all that make believe in the Koran and Bible though..

No. It's not. I can call being dead and nothing happening make believe also, but that wouldn't make me any better.

About the whole god being omnipotent I would refer you to that famous Epicurus quote, really does address that issue rather well.

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Ofcourse there are evil and good. But it's all a test. God gave us the power to overcome evil. If we are not willing to, why bother? God gave us everything we needed. We are his creation, why do we ask for more, when we already have it? If you want a place without evil and nothing is tainted, then why not live life hard, and willing to fight evil? If you aren't willing to fight evil, then why bother asking why god doesn't want to stop evil?

[Copperknickers II]

Let me tell something about my religion:

I am extremly unfundamentalistic christian. Some tell me like:

"God dosen't exist; people made him up because they allways need a hero, that will save the unjustices at the end."

I say:

Something must be at the end. Body dies, but what about bit? It must go somewhere.

And there is a creator! Nothing produces nothing: somebody created that whatever-it-is thing, that resulted in big bang!

What do you think?

If something must be at the end, then surely there was also something at the beginning? Do you remember anything at the beginning? No. Your mind came into being from 'nothing' (complex natural processes really, but still spontaneously), therefore i am quite happy believing that when you die, you will return to nothing, as is the way of things. I don't know how existance started, but it just did, and even if there was a creator, he has no perceivable effect on our day to day lives therefore i don't really care if he does exist.