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    During second world war, in a cafe George Burnard Shaw said to his fellows, I believe that if today Mohammad (pbuh) come alive, war would stop right after that.

    Mohammad, this is the most popular name in Europe now-a-days after the name of John. Mohammad (pbuh) according to Michael Heart is on the top of 100 most influential persons in the history.Mohammad (pbuh) is the person who now-a-days most conflicted among people of west and east.I think this wouldn't be a bad idea if I start a thread on life of Mohammad (pbuh) and I would post here different events of his great life just to make people understand what kind of personality his was.

    In first post I would briefly give events of his Meccan life and then we would discuss that and then I would briefly give events for his life in Medina Munawwara and we would discuss that. I request people that please post with decency and tolerance.

    The Life of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)
    PART I
    In Makkah


    By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall

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    The Prophet’s Birth


    The Ka`bah today

    Muhammad, son of Abdullah, son of Abdul Muttalib, of the tribe of Quraysh, was born in Makkah fifty-three years before the Hijrah. His father died before he was born, and he was protected first by his grandfather, Abdul Muttalib, and after his grandfather’s death, by his uncle Abu Talib.

    As a young boy he traveled with his uncle in the merchants’ caravan to Syria, and some years afterwards made the same journey in the service of a wealthy widow named Khadijah. So faithfully did he transact the widow’s business, and so excellent was the report of his behavior, which she received from her old servant who had accompanied him, that she soon afterwards married her young agent; and the marriage proved a very happy one, though she was fifteen years older than he was. Throughout the twenty-six years of their life together he remained devoted to her; and after her death, when he took other wives he always mentioned her with the greatest love and reverence. This marriage gave him rank among the notables of Makkah, while his conduct earned for him the surname Al-Amin, the “trustworthy.”

    The Hunafa

    The Makkans claimed descent from Abraham through Isma`il and tradition stated that their temple, the Ka`bah, had been built by Abraham for the worship of the One God. It was still called the House of Allah, but the chief objects of worship here were a number of idols, which were called “daughters” of Allah and intercessors. The few who felt disgust at this idolatry, which had prevailed for centuries, longed for the religion of Abraham and tried to find out what had been its teaching. Such seekers of the truth were known as Hunafa (sing. Hanif), a word originally meaning “those who turn away” (from the existing idol-worship), but coming in the end to have the sense of “upright” or “by nature upright,” because such persons held the way of truth to be right conduct. These Hunafa did not form a community. They were the non-conformists of their day, each seeking truth by the light of his inner consciousness. Muhammad son of Abdullah became one of these.

    The First Revelation

    It was his practice to retire often to a cave in the desert for meditation. His place of retreat was Hira’, a cave in a mountain called the Mountain of Light not far from Makkah, and his chosen month was Ramadan, the month of heat. It was there one night toward the end of his quiet month that the first revelation came to him when he was forty years old.

    He heard a voice say: “Read!” He said: “I cannot read.” The voice again said: “Read!” He said: “I cannot read.” A third time the voice, more terrible, commanded: “Read!” He said: “What can I read?” The voice said:

    “Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth.
    “Createth man from a clot.
    “Read: And it is thy Lord the Most Bountiful
    “Who teacheth by the pen,
    “Teacheth man that which he knew not.”

    The Vision of Cave Hira’


    The cave Hira’ in the Mountain of Light (Jabal Al-Nur)
    He went out of the cave on to the hillside and heard the same awe-inspiring voice say: “O Muhammad! Thou art Allah’s messenger, and I am Jibril (Gabriel).” Then he raised his eyes and saw the angel, in the likeness of a man, standing in the sky above the horizon. And again the dreadful voice said: “O Muhammad! Thou art Allah’s messenger, and I am Jibril (Gabriel).” Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) stood quite still, turning away his face from the brightness of the vision, but wherever he turned his face, there stood the angel confronting him. He remained thus a long while till at length the angel vanished, when he returned in great distress of mind to his wife Khadijah. She did her best to reassure him, saying that his conduct had been such that Allah would not let a harmful spirit come to him and that it was her hope that he was to become the Prophet of his people. On their return to Makkah she took him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Nawfal, a very old man, “who knew the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians,” who declared his belief that the heavenly messenger who came to Moses of old had come to Muhammad, and that he was chosen as the Prophet of his people.

    Muhammad eventually accepted the tremendous task imposed on him, becoming filled with enthusiasm of obedience

    His Distress
    To understand the reason of the Prophet’s diffidence and his extreme distress of mind after the vision of Hira’, it must be remembered that the Hunafa, of whom he had been one, sought true religion in the natural world and regarded with distrust the intercourse with spirits of which men “avid of the Unseen” sorcerers and soothsayers and even poets, boasted in those days. Moreover, he was a man of humble and devout intelligence, a lover of quiet and solitude and the very thought of being chosen out of all mankind to face mankind, alone, with such a message, appalled him at the first.

    Recognition of the Divine nature of the call he had received involved a change in his whole mental outlook sufficiently disturbing to a sensitive and honest mind, and also the forsaking of his quiet, honored way of life. The early biographers tell how his wife Khadijah “tested the spirit” which came to him and proved it to be good, and how, with the continuance of the revelations and the conviction that they brought, he at length accepted the tremendous task imposed on him, becoming filled with enthusiasm of obedience which justifies his proudest title of “the Slave of Allah.”

    First Converts

    For the first three years, or rather less, of his mission, the Prophet preached to his family and his intimate friends, while the people of Makkah as a whole regarded him as one who had become a little mad. The first of all his converts was his wife Khadijah, the second his first cousin Ali, whom he had adopted, the third his servant Zayd, a former slave. His old friend Abu Bakr also was among those early converts.

    Beginning of Persecution

    At the end of the third year the Prophet received the command to “arise and warn,” whereupon he began to preach in public, pointing out the wretched folly of idolatry in face of the tremendous laws of day and night, of life and death, of growth and decay, which manifest the power of Allah and attest His sovereignty. It was then, when he began to speak against their gods, that Quraysh became actively hostile, persecuting his poorer disciples, mocking and insulting him. The one consideration which prevented them from killing him was fear of the blood-vengeance of the clan to which his family belonged. Strong in his inspiration, the Prophet went on warning, pleading, threatening, while Quraysh did all they could to ridicule his teaching, and deject his followers.

    The Flight to Abyssinia



    A 16th century map of Abyssinia – modern day Ethiopia
    The converts of the first four years were mostly humble folk unable to defend themselves against oppression. So cruel was the persecution they endured that the Prophet advised all who could possibly contrive to do so to immigrate to a Christian country, Abyssinia . And still in spite of persecution and emigration the little company of Muslims grew in number. Quraysh were seriously alarmed. The idol worship at the Ka`bah, the holy place to which all Arabia made pilgrimage, ranked for them, as guardians of the Ka`bah, as first among their vested interests. At the season of the pilgrimage they posted men on all the roads to warn the tribes against the “madman” who was preaching in their midst. They tried to bring the Prophet to a compromise offering to accept his religion if he would so modify it as to make room for their gods as intercessors with Allah, offering to make him their king if he would give up attacking idolatry; and, when their efforts at negotiation failed, they went to his uncle Abu Talib offering to give him the best of their young men in place of Muhammad, to give him all that he desired, if only he would let them kill Muhammad and have done with him. Abu Talib refused.

    Conversion of Omar

    The exasperation of the idolaters was increased by the conversion of Omar, one of their stalwarts. They grew more and more embittered, till things came to such a pass that they decided to ostracize the Prophet’s whole clan, idolaters who protected him as well as Muslims who believed in him. Their chief men caused a document to be drawn up to the effect that none of them or those belonging to them would hold any intercourse with that clan or sell to them or buy from them. This they all signed, and it was deposited in the Ka`bah. Then for three years, the Prophet was shut up with all his kinsfolk in their stronghold which was situated in one of the gorges which run down to Makkah. Only at the time of pilgrimage could he go out and preach, or did any of his kinsfolk dare to go into the city.

    Destruction of the Document

    At length some kinder hearts among Quraysh grew weary of the boycott of old friends and neighbors. They managed to have the document which had been placed in the Ka`bah brought out for reconsideration; when it was found that all the writing had been destroyed by white ants, except the words Bismik Allahumma (“In thy name, O Allah”). When the elders saw that marvel the ban was removed, and the Prophet was again free to go about the city. But meanwhile the opposition to his preaching had grown rigid. He had little success among the Makkans, and an attempt which he made to preach in the city of Ta’if was a failure. His mission was a failure, judged by worldly standards, when, at the season of the yearly pilgrimage he came upon a little group of men who heard him gladly.

    The Men from Yathrib

    They came from Yathrib, a city more than two hundred miles away, which has since become world-famous as al-Madinah, “the City” par excellence. At Yathrib there were Jewish tribes with learned rabbis, who had often spoken to the pagans of a Prophet soon to come among the Arabs, with whom, when he came, the Jews would destroy the pagans as the tribes of ‘Aad and Thamud had been destroyed of old for their idolatry. When the men from Yathrib saw Muhammad they recognized him as the Prophet whom the Jewish rabbis had described to them. On their return to Yathrib they told what they had seen and heard, with the result that the next season of pilgrimage a deputation came from Yathrib purposely to meet the Prophet.

    Quraysh dreaded what the Prophet might become if he escaped from them and so plotted to kill him
    First Pact of al-‘Aqabah

    These swore allegiance to him in the first pact of al-‘Aqabah. They then returned to Yathrib with a Muslim teacher in their, company and soon “there was not a house in Yathrib wherein there was not mention of the messenger of Allah.”

    Second pact of al-‘Aqabah

    In the following year, at the time of pilgrimage, seventy-three Muslims from Yathrib came to Makkah to vow allegiance to the Prophet and invite him to their city. At al-‘Aqabah, by night, they swore to defend him as they would defend their own wives and children. It was then that the Hijrah, the flight to Yathrib, was decided.

    Plot to Murder the Prophet

    Soon the Muslims who were in a position to do so, began to sell their property and to leave Makkah unobtrusively. Quraysh had wind of what was going on. They hated Muhammad in their midst, but dreaded what he might become if he escaped from them. It would be better, they considered, to destroy him now. The death of Abu Talib had removed his chief protector; but still they had to reckon with the vengeance of his clan upon the clan of the murderer. They cast lot and chose a slayer out of every clan. All these were to attack the Prophet simultaneously and strike together, as one man. Thus his murder would be blamed on all Quraysh. It was at this time (Ibn Khaldun asserts, and it is the only satisfactory explanation of what happened afterwards) that the Prophet received the first revelation ordering him to make war upon his persecutors “until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah only.”

    The Hijrah ( June 20th, 622 C.E.)

    The last of the able Muslims to remain in Makkah were Abu Bakr, Ali and the Prophet himself. Abu Bakr, a man of wealth, had bought two riding camels and retained a guide in readiness for the flight. The Prophet only waited for God’s command. It came at last. It was the night appointed for his murder. The slayers were before his house. He gave his cloak to Ali, bidding him lie down on the bed so that anyone looking in might think Muhammad lay there. The slayers were to strike him as he came out of the house, whether in the night or early morning. He knew they would not injure Ali. Then he left the house and, it is said, blindness fell upon the would-be murderers so that he put dust on their heads as he passed by-without their knowing it.

    The Hijrah counts as the beginning of the Muslim era

    He went to Abu Bakr’s house and called to him, and they two went together to a cavern in the desert hill and hid there till the hue and cry was past, Abu Bakr’s son and daughter and his herdsman bringing them food and tidings after nightfall. Once a search party came quite near them in their hiding-place, and Abu Bakr was afraid; but the Prophet said: “Fear not! Allah is with us.” Then, when the coast was clear, Abu Bakr had the riding-camels and the guide brought to the cave one night, and they set out on the long ride to Yathrib.

    After traveling for many days of unfrequented paths, the fugitives reached a suburb of Yathrib, whither, for weeks past, the people of the city had been going every morning, watching for the Prophet till the heat drove them to shelter. The travelers arrived in the heat of the day, after the watchers had retired. It was a Jew who called out to the Muslims in derisive tones that he whom they expected had at last arrived.

    Such was the Hijrah, the Flight from Makkah to Yathrib, which counts as the beginning of the Muslim era. The thirteen years of humiliation, of persecution, of seeming failure, of prophecy still unfulfilled, were over.
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    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    The Life of Mohammed or Poet's Dawa. I'd be glad to join in and provide you with the benefit of my knowledge on the subject.

    Now we have dealt with Mohammed's birth, let's deal with his death. How did he die? Well, the lingering effects of a poison - given to him by a Jewish cook. She poisoned his lamb shank, which he ate:

    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
    Not much of a Prophet one would think who didn't foretell his own poisoning? Perhaps the Angel Gabriel was watching the game and was busy.

    Who was Aisha you may ask, well that was Mohammed's child bride. He married her when she was 6, and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. We know this because of the hadith:

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...ml#005.058.236

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
    Narrated Hisham's father:
    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.


    Now also, Mohammed fancied himself as a bit of a legend in the bedroom, and a lot of the 'revelations' concerned who he got to sleep with and in what circumstances.

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    Such were the calm and rational precepts of the legislator; but in his private conduct Mahomet indulged the appetites of a man and abused the claims of a prophet. A special revelation dispensed him from the laws which he had imposed on his nation; the female sex, without reserve, was abandoned to his desires; and this singular prerogative excited the envy, rather than the scandal, the veneration, rather than the envy, of the devout Musulmans.

    If we remember the seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines of the wise Solomon, we shall applaud the modesty of the Arabian, who espoused no more than seventeen or fifteen wives; eleven are enumerated who occupied at Medina their separate apartments round the house of the apostle, and enjoyed in their turns the favour of his conjugal society. What is singular enough, they were all widows, excepting only Ayesha, the daughter of Abubeker.

    She
    was doubtless a virgin, since Mahomet consummated his nuptials (such is the premature ripeness of the climate) when she was only nine years of age.
    The youth, the beauty, the spirit of Ayesha gave her a superior ascendant; she was beloved and trusted by the prophet; and, after his death, the daughter of Abubeker was long revered as the mother of the faithful. Her behaviour had been ambiguous and indiscreet; in a nocturnal march, she was accidentally left behind; and in the morning Ayesha returned to the camp with a man.

    The temper of Mahomet was inclined to jealousy; but a divine revelation assured him of her innocence: he chastised her accusers, and published a law of domestic peace that no woman should be condemned unless four male witnesses had seen her in the act of adultery.173 In his adventures with Zeineb, the wife of Zeid, and with Mary, an Egyptian captive,174 the amorous prophet forgot the interest of his reputation. At the house of Zeid, his freedman and adopted son, he beheld, in a loose undress, the beauty of Zeineb, and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire.

    The servile or grateful freedman understood the hint, and yielded, without hesitation, to the love of his benefactor. But, as the filial relation had excited some doubt and scandal, the angel Gabriel descended from heaven to ratify the deed, to annual the adoption, and gently to reprove the apostle for distrusting the indulgence of his God.

    One of his wives, Hafsa,174a the daughter of Omar, surprised him on her own bed in the embraces of his Egyptian captive; she promised secrecy and forgiveness; he swore that he would renounce the possession of Mary. Both parties forgot their engagements; and Gabriel again descended with a chapter of the Koran, to absolve him from his oath, and to exhort him freely to enjoy his captives and concubines without listening to the clamours of his wives. In a solitary retreat of thirty days, he laboured, alone with Mary, to fulfil the commands of the angel. When his love and revenge were satiated, he summoned to his presence his eleven wives, reproached their disobedience and indiscretion, and threatened them with a sentence of divorce both in this world and in the next: a dreadful sentence, since those who had ascended the bed of the prophet were for ever excluded from the hope of a second marriage. Perhaps the incontinence of Mahomet may be palliated by the tradition of his natural or preternatural gifts:175


    Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 9 (1776),

    Note that the footnote at 175 tells us something pretty embarrassing about the death of Mohammed. He had an erection when he died which would not go down.

    Sibi robur ad generationem, quantum triginta viri habent, inesse jactaret; ita ut unicā horā posset undecim feminis satisfacere, ut ex Arabum libris refert Stus Petrus Paschasius, c. 2 (Maracci, Prodromus Alcoran, p. iv. p. 55. See likewise Observations de Belon, l. iii. c. 10, fol. 179, recto). Al Jannabi (Gagmer, tom. iii. p. 487) records his own testimony that he surpassed all men in conjugal vigour; and Abulfeda mentions the exclamation of Ali, who washed his body after his death, “O propheta, certe penis tuus cęlum versus erectus est” (in Vit. Mohammed. p. 140).
    Ali ibn Abi Ṭalib, says upon seeing the dead Mohammed, 'Oh Prophet, your penis is erect to the sky!

    We know also, that the Supreme Being, creator of all the Universe, was very very concerned with how many women Mohammed got to sleep with, ready to send the Angel Gabriel down at will with a new chapter of the Koran to permit Mohammed to expand his harem. Very obliging of a Divine immortal being - no wonder Mohammed worshipped him.

    So the lesson to be learnt, don't let the ebil jews prepare your lamb shanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post

    Who was Aisha you may ask, well that was Mohammed's child bride. He married her when she was 6, and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. We know this because of the hadith:

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...ml#005.058.236

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
    Narrated Hisham's father:
    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
    here are some more evidences


    So the lesson to be learnt, don't let the ebil jews prepare your lamb shanks.
    this has always been true




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    A completely unbiased source...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    A completely unbiased source...
    i dont understand Pannonius. You want...erm...non-muslim sources?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    i dont understand Pannonius. You want...erm...non-muslim sources?
    Yes. I wouldn't trust Vatican when it comes to the Inquisition, why should I treat islam differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    This an attempt by some Muslims to westernize Muhammad, as I've never seen Aisha's age ever be disputed before the second half of the 20th century, and that website is based in the UK. An other example of this; I guarantee you that the word "lightly" that appears after "beat" in Yusuf Ali's translation of verse 4:34 which mentions the option of beating your wife if she's disobedient, can't be found in any other translation dating before the 20th century.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    In general though, i think the reforms he brought and learning he kick started
    Which reforms and learning in particular? I'm especially curious about the learning he supposedly kick started.
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    I request people to completely ignore post above my post as the topic is Life of Mohammad (pbuh) and I do not want my thread to be derailed, so let us discuss on the events given in the first post.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    I request people to completely ignore post above my post as the topic is Life of Mohammad (pbuh) and I do not want my thread to be derailed, so let us discuss on the events given in the first post.
    I don't think so. It's just to funny to ignore. + it's Gibbon, always worth reading.
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    After only the British and Irish are native English speakers it is very unlikely that the most popular name in Europe is John.

    And the 100 most influential persons of history according to what....
    Who else is in this list?
    By the way influence to the good or to the bad?

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    Sir! Name of Jesus Christ was also in that list, so definitely we are talking about positive influence, and would you please share some thoughts on the events in the first post?
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Not much to discuss the first biography about Mohammads life was written about 150 years after his death so the story you posted might aswell be a fairy tale.
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    There is no need to answer Simon's littering, he just wants to ruin this thread in his bias and by the way you quoted a great article + rep for that, now please give your comments on Prophet's (pbuh) Meccan life and events.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    I'm not Bias, I just don't believe Mohammed was a single person, Nore does history do much to prove he was even real. Or that he wrote the Koran, more likely a group writers over time wrote it, and mohammeds life story, there are many stories of how the koran came to be, and the one IN the Koran about an angel giving the books or something to him is the last on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    There is no need to answer Simon's littering, he just wants to ruin this thread in his bias and by the way you quoted a great article + rep for that, now please give your comments on Prophet's (pbuh) Meccan life and events.
    well i must say that you must be open to criticism of the Prophet as this is a discussion and debate board. Personally, i think in historical terms, his legacy speaks for itself. As for him as a person, he seemed to want to remedy many social injustices present during his time. But some people forget he was "just" a human being. But the main problem is reliable contempory sources which did not have a political agenda. When he died, it was the beginning of many problems in Islam (such as the Shia/Sunni split). Many hadith were formulated and divulged as part of an agenda (such as hadiths compiled in Iraq to justify the Abbasids taking power from the Ummayads) which muddies the waters about Mohammad the person.

    One instance is the succession. Many sunni and shia will put forward counter hadiths and traditions to support a particular view. I would have thought that Mohammed would have made it explicitly clear who would suceed his leadership after his demise. Maybe he did, but this evidence is either lost or incontravertable, which is an example of why it is sometimes difficult to discern what he did or did not do.

    In general though, i think the reforms he brought and learning he kick started (aside from the religious effect he had) were wholly positive for mankind. In this aspect i think he ranks above people like Darius, Soloman, Jesus, Guru Nanak or Charlemaigne.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauvin View Post
    This an attempt by some Muslims to westernize Muhammad, as I've never seen Aisha's age ever be disputed before the second half of the 20th century, and that website is based in the UK. An other example of this; I guarantee you that the word "lightly" that appears after "beat" in Yusuf Ali's translation of verse 4:34 which mentions the option of beating your wife if she's disobedient, can't be found in any other translation dating before the 20th century.
    yeah well Yusuf Ali is a prick then. changing the Quran like that. You dont like UK websites? Would you prefer Indian?


    Which reforms and learning in particular? I'm especially curious about the learning he supposedly kick started.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_s...es_under_Islam

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    enjoy





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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    yeah well Yusuf Ali is a prick then. changing the Quran like that. You dont like UK websites? Would you prefer Indian?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_s...es_under_Islam

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

    enjoy

    Heinz I love you man

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    What I wanted was your own reasoning for thinking that Muhammad directly contributed to scientific discoveries by Arabs, Persians and others who happened to be Muslim. In which fields, or field of science did Muhammad contribute?

    Besides when we speak of social changes under Islam, much of what we know about pre-Islamic Arabia comes from Muslim sources. I suppose it never occured to you that Khadija, an independent businesswoman who married a younger man, existed before these Islamic reforms that supposedly improved women's rights. People who tout Islamic religious tolerance also never think of how 360 idols existed in the Kabaa before it was emptied by Muhammad, that is before "Islam" as political entity was in control, and pagans banned from doing Hajj, people who worshipped many dif gods congregated together in a show of religious pluralism. It's also recorded that a painting of the virgin mary was also in the Kabaa, although I'm not sure if that's not some authors jab at Christians to show them as in league or alike with idolators.

    There were some positive reforms, if the stories are true, but not as dramatic as Muslims suggest, and it's probably not wise to accept the claims of Muhammad, and his biographers as being gospel (religiously or historically). It's especially foolish to romanticize history.

    And, btw, you should only use wikipedia if you plan on visiting the sources it provides.

    Also, I don't mind people thinking I'm Indian, you mention it in every post you address to me as if you think it's some kind of incitement or insult...

    I'm much more accustomed to being called a Jew when I debate Muslims though.
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    At least you talked with respect. But what proof we have that any person with name of Alexander conquered nearly half of the world? People keep record of things in their chests.And this is a fact on which we do not need any debate. And no, he or group of people didn't wrote Qura'n, but Allah sent Qura'n through his angel to him in different parts.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Simon, her age was never confirmed. But that's all you have, so keep it up.

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