Can we put Kings and Generals on Trial ?

**Gorrrrrn** · February 05, 2010, 08:21 PM

In my 2TPY/all town/PSF mod for latest RC/RR for SS6 I've created four Government buildings.

Of those, one is Parliament and another The Law Courts.

We all know the grief that having Kings with offend the nobility give and how, annoying having rebel generals are in ones own faction. So perhaps we can have a legal way of getting rid of them.

I would like to create some form of interactive event which gives the human player the choice of whether to put king who has Offensive2 trait or general with trait Disobedient2 on trial at the Law Courts.

Now I'm still at learning stage for coding this so if anyone has ways of implementing this do post.
If the project is finished we can stick in tutorials or make it a mini-mod for general usage.

These would be for the human player only. (er as interactive events they'd have to be.)

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I understand there is a way of selecting a character based on a trait:
CharacterSelected Disobedient2

and the FactionLeader is well, the faction leader.

I presume if we monitor the FactionLeader every turn with a
IsPlayerLocal = 1
Is FactionLeader Disobedient2 (or whatever it should be)
we can generate an event "King_on_Trial"
(need to do text and picture etc)

do an event_counter kingontrial = 1
and increment it so next turn

event_counter
kingontrial = 2

we have the result:

random 20

King executed for treason
kill_character FactionLeader

(new FL would be chosen and all the gubbins with ancilliaries sorted out.)

or King found not guilty and the trait Offensive2 is reset to Offensive0

Perhaps enclosed in some form of monitor that checks when FactionLeader first gets the trait and waits a random number of turns before deciding to have a trial.

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As for Generals perhaps something similar triggered by king first getting Offensive2.

once triggered any general with Disobedient2 gets put on trial
(don't know if the command CharacterSelected Disobedient2
collects everyone with it, or just the first?)

Rather than faff around the interactive part would be a simple Y/N -
do you want to put this general on trial for treason?

there's a chance 50 that said general gets the kill_character treatment.
If found not guilty, he gets the Disobedient2 reset to Obedient1

if found guilty he gets the chop.
(or maybe exile to some remote island?)

Need to rest counter when king no longer has trait?
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That's about as far as I've got so far.
I've no idea if it's do-able.
I don't expect other people to do everything, but a nudge or two in the right direction would be appreciated. (if only to say - no can do.)

**Gigantus** · February 06, 2010, 05:26 AM

kill_character FactionLeader

That's were the problem is = you need a name for the kill_character command.

**Germanicu5** · February 06, 2010, 05:38 AM

I haven't tested it, but what if we had an event that exports character record and used "e_select_character" and then "kill_character this" ?

Regards

**Gigantus** · February 06, 2010, 06:13 AM

worth a try, no idea if it would work.

**Germanicu5** · February 06, 2010, 07:23 AM

It sounded all too easy, it doesn't work.

@Roz
Maybe you can just emulate it by adding terrible negative attributes connected to traits (like -zillion command etc) - you can check Byg's defied orders for reference.

Regards

**Swagger** · February 06, 2010, 08:39 AM

the kill_character command requires the character export, meaning it's name or the label

**Gorrrrrn** · February 06, 2010, 08:04 PM

tx for comments -been busy with the main mod.

will get back to this tomorrow.

all still rather new territory.

**uanime5** · February 10, 2010, 07:38 AM

Can you give each faction leader of the player's faction a label?

**konny** · February 10, 2010, 09:16 AM

ASFAIK, there is no command to label a character; so: No.

**Gigantus** · February 10, 2010, 11:41 AM

You can only give labels through the script when a character gets spawned.

**SigniferOne** · February 10, 2010, 12:03 PM

However, you can make an auxiliary script, which kills the new faction leader and generates another one but with a label (e.g. EnglandFactionLeader).

**konny** · February 11, 2010, 04:19 AM

But how would you kill the old one without label?

Another thing: Has anyone so far worked with spawning heirs and leaders for a faction with a "Teutonic" family tree (i.e. without tree)?

**Theodotos I** · February 16, 2010, 03:04 PM

I'm setting up a Teutonic tree for a couple factions in the Frontier, but I've not really worked much with it yet. What specifically did you need to know?

**konny** · February 17, 2010, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Theodotos I

I'm setting up a Teutonic tree for a couple factions in the Frontier, but I've not really worked much with it yet. What specifically did you need to know?

The idea is to split a larger faction into a "Parent Faction" and a "Child Faction". The "Parent" would have a normal family tree, while the "Child" would have a Teutonic family tree. The faction leader of the "Child" would be someone who was sent there from the "Parent". In our example I wish to split the Rus into Kiev, as "Parent" and Novgorod as "Child", with the Prince of Novgorod being someone who was sent to the north from Kiev.

To simulate that, I thought of spawning a character for faction Novgorod with the Heir- or Leader-Tag. While that would be possible technically, the question would be how that would work for the game?

**SigniferOne** · February 19, 2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by konny

But how would you kill the old one without label?

Something like this:

CharacterTurnStart IsFactionLeader

e_select_character
"do something to kill him", e.g. "kill_character this" or something else

end

**konny** · February 20, 2010, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by SigniferOne

Something like this:

CharacterTurnStart IsFactionLeader

e_select_character
"do something to kill him", e.g. "kill_character this" or something else

end

I thought "kill_character" does not work in conjunction with "this"?

Anyways, e_select is rather tricky to use because it might be superseded by physical selcetion, for example a character the player had selected when hitting EndTurn.

**Germanicu5** · September 15, 2010, 07:06 AM

I'm always too lazy to post this "find", because I wanted to write a tutorial first, I actually managed to produce a properly working script back in February.

I was able to create a character-name-based script that works for player's faction and settlements. Since it was inspired by Roz's idea, a simplified version puts kings on trial, kills characters suspected of betrayal and puts units in chosen settlements, it can also give traits to some characters or remove them. It's also no problem to send character off map in this case.

The script uses all character names available in a mod, so it's large.

It's an integral part of my Interactive Gameplay Mod for TATW 2.1.

Thread HERE.

Code inside attached txt file.

Main part:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Regards

P.S. Initial SS 6.2 script version (larger) was 249 MB for all factions, here's a "demo" I uploaded on 02 March (maybe it'll be of some use). It didn't start on my 2GB memory PC due to too large memory consumption. Any cs file above 30 MB was causing it, so it may just be some engine limitation.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1PXYWJ7G

**Gigantus** · September 15, 2010, 08:56 AM

How often did dark thoughts roam through your head when you were writing that script? Must have been madness testing all that. Just as well that GED wrote his script replicator.

**Germanicu5** · September 15, 2010, 09:57 AM

Yeah, I had to ask GED to update his replicator in order to produce such scripts (they seemingly exceeded 32,767 entries limit), big thanks to him for this effort. Surely I wouldn't even try to be so "fruitful" without it.

The replicator itself accepts 2 Million lines now, so we can implement any crazy scripts we can imagine.

Regards

P.S. That code I presented could also be combined with traits, but after considering possible amount of monitors\triggers and their combination, I went for scripts mostly.

P.S.2. Testing battle AI is madness, this I do for fun

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