If normal dragoons had 90 men...

[ccqwert7]

Would you use them?

*Things you might not know about normal dragoons because you never used them*

They have fire by rank
They look awesome
They are unmarried
They generally suck

[Valkierei]

90 men + able to form squares + have bayonets and credible reload rate, yes.

[ccqwert7]

They reload as fast as normal line inf.

[TheAussieDigger]

what valkierei said + having sensible morale

they shouldnt have 6 morale when theyre supposed to be slightly elite line (well at least i think thats what they were )

[Valkierei]

the only reason, dragoons would be dismounted by a player. is if they do more damage by shooting on foot than by cavalry charging. also, if they are on foot, they would be susceptible to enemy cavalry charge. so squares are needed.

[daniu]

What the others said + being able to frigging run when mounting again

[TheAussieDigger]

all these things having to be changed shows how much CA really ed up dragoons

[Lord Dakier]

You mean Empire not just Dragoons

[daniu]

You mean Empire not just Dragoons

You must have gotten lost, this is the multiplayer section.
There needs not be general ranting here because we don't suffer broken AIs, just some balance issues and a sucky games browser.

[ccqwert7]

Proposal for Dragoons

750 cost
90 Men

Rank Fire Drill
Resistance to Moral Shock
Socket Bayonet
Square Formation (when dismounted)
Diamond Formation (when mounted)
Can hide in woodland
Can hide in tall grass (when dismounted)
Inspires nearby Units (maybe? Or have an Elite Dragoon with platoon fire and this?)
Good Stamina

7 Melee attack 7 Melee Defense 6 Morale when mounted, 9 melee attack 11 melee defense 8 morale when dismounted

Run 5 dragoons to ur ally in a team game then run them back when he sends 5 normal inf over ^_^

Also, is the ability to shoot with poor accuracy when mounted, NOT shoot while moving and NOT RELOAD while moving with 90 man dragoon units unbalanced or fair change?

[Valkierei]

Proposal for Dragoons

950 cost
90 Men (large size)

Light Infantry Drill
Socket Bayonet
Square Formation (when dismounted )
Can dismantle stakes
Can control artillery (with less accuracy )

8 Melee attack 15 Melee Defense 9 Morale when dismounted, 7 melee attack 7 melee defense when mounted.

Also, poor accuracy when shooting while mounted, improved when stationary, further improved when on foot.

also, curais should suffer less casualities compared to light cav cus they have a frickin breastplate. amen.

[TheAussieDigger]

why would they have better morale on foot compared to on horseback?
theyre more vulnerable on foot

[ccqwert7]

Proposal for Dragoons

950 cost
90 Men (large size)

Light Infantry Drill
Socket Bayonet
Square Formation (when dismounted )
Can dismantle stakes
Can control artillery (with less accuracy )

8 Melee attack 15 Melee Defense 9 Morale when dismounted, 7 melee attack 7 melee defense when mounted.

Also, poor accuracy when shooting while mounted, improved when stationary, further improved when on foot.

also, curais should suffer less casualities compared to light cav cus they have a frickin breastplate. amen.

Lets give them the ability to deploy mortars and put their bayonets into the ground as stakes too. Oh they should have the ability to use their horses as cover in a line, its perfectly fair...

if LD had light infantry drill it would make sense, Line infantry having light infantry drill instead of Rank Fire drill is stupid IMO

[Valkierei]

Lets give them the ability to deploy mortars and put their bayonets into the ground as stakes too. Oh they should have the ability to use their horses as cover in a line, its perfectly fair...

if LD had light infantry drill it would make sense, Line infantry having light infantry drill instead of Rank Fire drill is stupid IMO

what, imagine yourself as the dragoon commander.

MEN! DISMOUNT! LINE UP! do not be afraid even though we're surrounded and behind the lines of the enemy forces! rank 1! fire! rank 2! fire! rank 3! WHY DIDNT WE FIRE EVERYTHING SO WE COULD LEAVE FASTER!? INCOMING CAV!

[ccqwert7]

what, imagine yourself as the dragoon commander.

MEN! DISMOUNT! LINE UP! do not be afraid even though we're surrounded and behind the lines of the enemy forces! rank 1! fire! rank 2! fire! rank 3! WHY DIDNT WE FIRE EVERYTHING SO WE COULD LEAVE FASTER!? INCOMING CAV!

Thats why they have square

[daniu]

Can dismantle stakes

I really don't know why that ability doesn't even exist.

[eleftherios]

Here is my proposal:
Cost is the cost of their faction's Line infantry further increased by 25% (meaning around 1000), with the exception of Swedish Dragoons that their cost is increased by 50% instead (since they have increased cavalry sizes).
Statistics are the same for their faction Line Infantry when dismounted( both melee, ranged and their special traits/abilities/ Infantry technologies -socket bayonet/square/fire by rank).
They shoot ONLY when dismounted (no change there).
When mounted they only have Diamond and the Line Infantry statistics.

[LiN]

Can we just replace in late game to end their miserable existence?

[Hekko]

Can we just replace in late game to end their miserable existence?

QFT

Otherwise their shooting stats should be severly buffed so that they serve as a mobile fire reserve to be used after enemy cav has been dealt with.

[Valkierei]

QFT

Otherwise their shooting stats should be severly buffed so that they serve as a mobile fire reserve to be used after enemy cav has been dealt with.

you have to place them as superior foot soldiers, say legions of the united states, but inferior cavalry. first of all dragoons shouldnt fire on horseback that accurately. especially when moving.

they have to make the mount/dismount time quicker too.

also i believe reducing the chances of dying from being shot or delayed dying for a curaisser unit would force people to stray away from using light dragoons as their main cavalry force. they do have a frickin breastplate after all. and what's with the extra unit size. make them the same.