Defending Erengrad as Ostland

[midterm360]

You know when you get that imminent message saying you must help defend Erengrad when you play as Ostland?

Well I have fought this battle many many times now and I just can't seem to win no matter I do. The mass of enemy infantry overwhelms my infantry line, Chaos has cavalry superiority and the misile units you get dont have a large enough impact not to mention artillery doesn't make a big enough impact on the fight because it has relatively short range, help?

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Is this a seige battle? If so, then I recommend next Ostland game you play, build up in the city before the Chaos reach your gates. And if it's an open battle, and if there are allies, deploy as close to your allies as possible.

[midterm360]

NOpe, this one you spawn an army north of Erengrad (one of kislevs cities) and you fight them on open ground, it happens around turn 7.

[Kahvipannu]

I just had this battle, man it was epic
And yes, I lost it
I almost got the upperhand when I got my canons inline to shoot between my lines to battling enemy, and at the same time my panthers slaughtered theyr general Only thing was that my gunpowder unit (rifleone) got in melee, pistoliers run out of ammo, and finally I couldn't defend my cannons anymore.. all was lost
But it was a epic one.. Currently I have only one settlement left, so maybe I'll try that battle again pretty soon..

HP, here´s a screenie of the battle:

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And the end is near :

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[kauczuk]

because i played dwarf and dwarf only defend now, many many enemy in big number from all side, my method is:
when are many enemies, turn back all soldier so far near from capture flag city and defend in door.
normal in big city its work because computer is stupid yet and very slow attacked. when time out and you have flag win, easy

[Kahvipannu]

hmm.. this one is openfield battle
Edit:
By the way midterm360, did you try to decline for giving help at any point? If yes, did anything happen, except the city was lost?

[midterm360]

NO I never tried lol, but after I lost They got another huge stack and the remnants of that army defended the bridge, lol I had 60 total melee troops, 2 beaten up corps of archers/x-bowmen, some pistoliers and 1 cannon left... that led to a slaughter on the chaos army of over 1400. They got bottlenecked and the exploding shot killed a minimum of 75 per shot

***EDIT*** I stilll lost however

[Kahvipannu]

NO I never tried lol, but after I lost They got another huge stack and the remnants of that army defended the bridge, lol I had 60 total melee troops, 2 beaten up corps of archers/x-bowmen, some pistoliers and 1 cannon left... that led to a slaughter on the chaos army of over 1400. They got bottlenecked and the exploding shot killed a minimum of 75 per shot

***EDIT*** I stilll lost however

yeah, this mod sure is fun

After I lost, next turn full DE stack came and took the coastal village in north, and two stacks ripped apart next city in theyr way Only capital left.. I have been all the time in the brink of bankrupt, maybe it is becouse of VH campaign difficulty, which I usually play. And I have bad habit to turtle in the beginning of the game, usually this gives time to AI, to really build some challenge, but this isn't the case in CoWH Which I like a lot.

Next time, I think I try Ostland again, but with hard.
And I'm going to save Erengad

[midterm360]

I was playing on medium! and yes even then you are still nearly bankrupt and there is very little room to be aggressive early on (there is like one settlement I think you can take without breaking an alliance)

[Ethien]

Some factions are just at a disadvantage in terms of their economy. As any human nation, I pump out merchants and get to the high income locations early on. I can usually get an extra 3,000 coins per turn with five or so merchants out.

I'm really enjoying the named regiments and adapting them to my original tactics.

In most mods I would also turtle and build up, but I learned early on that you have to be aggressive from the get go in this mod which is a refreshing change. I'm playing on VH/VH as Stirland and I'm already bankrupt. I'm sending in my most expensive units that I got from completing a mission first, so hopefully that will clear up some funds for me to spend.

[Kahvipannu]

Some factions are just at a disadvantage in terms of their economy. As any human nation, I pump out merchants and get to the high income locations early on. I can usually get an extra 3,000 coins per turn with five or so merchants out.

I'm really enjoying the named regiments and adapting them to my original tactics.

In most mods I would also turtle and build up, but I learned early on that you have to be aggressive from the get go in this mod which is a refreshing change. I'm playing on VH/VH as Stirland and I'm already bankrupt. I'm sending in my most expensive units that I got from completing a mission first, so hopefully that will clear up some funds for me to spend.

Yes, there is major differences in economy between factions

Like with Averland, at turn 9, only my merchants made 9000 gold per turn, and I was drowning in gold But it kinda makes sense, since Averland is the most riches faction of Empire, and I think it was on normal difficulty.

I was playing on medium! and yes even then you are still nearly bankrupt and there is very little room to be aggressive early on (there is like one settlement I think you can take without breaking an alliance)

I noticed theres one rebel setllement near capital, to the east (propably the same one), but before I got there, Kislev already took it

Well, time for new campaign today

[cenkiss]

Ostland is one of the hardest.Because very early you lose one settlement to dark elves and another to khorne.You don't have any riches,and have tzeentch hordes at your doors.

[midterm360]

Yea I've noticed, anyway of to beat this? Has anyone ever?

[Kahvipannu]

Ostland is one of the hardest.Because very early you lose one settlement to dark elves and another to khorne.You don't have any riches,and have tzeentch hordes at your doors.

Yes, I have noticed it too And I'm loving it

Yea I've noticed, anyway of to beat this? Has anyone ever?

I got my second change a moment ago.
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I got pretty lucky, since I got large building in deployment zone, to cover my left side:
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I made big mistake, by pulling my cannons away, until it was too late, so I lost them for in the beginning of battle :
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I managed to slay theyr general with my cavalry:
(at this point casualties were 78% to me and 64% for them)
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but, in the end, enemys superior forces was too much..
And my general died like true general should, last in the battlefield (well, second last in this case)
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Results, 98% my troops killed, 80% of theyrs, so it went better than first time (CLose defeat).
Stats after theyr recovered troops
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I would say it's possible with huge luck, and way to get cannons slay masses of them

[midterm360]

Oh that was epic though!, how did you get a building next to your army?

and i've never used merchants before since they hardly got me any income ever!, how did you do it? what is hte secret?

[Kahvipannu]

Oh that was epic though!, how did you get a building next to your army?

and i've never used merchants before since they hardly got me any income ever!, how did you do it? what is hte secret?

Buildings spawn randomly in the battlefield, so I just got lucky

Merchants are (sometimes) backbone of your economy. With Ostland, make one at first turn, and take it to green-resource (don't know it's name) north of Sylvanias capital, next to rebel town. Depending your merchants skill, maybe 1000-2000 gold per turn from that And there's two of them, so once you get your second market, and merchant, go take that too.

With my Averland merchants, theyr skill was really high, since Ave has amazing markets in the beginning, maybe 3000 each and more from those resource spots.

Edit: And always train merchants in a city, where you have best markets, and maybe trades guild.

[midterm360]

Wow this is way different from vannila. Isn't it like the further the resource is from your coutry the more money you make?

[Beregond]

it's the Warp Stone, you-heretic!
btw, I can swear I've translated the resources

[Kahvipannu]

it's the Warp Stone, you-heretic!
btw, I can swear I've translated the resources

Heretic.. and greedy!



I believe they have been translated, I maybe just didn't pay attention to it's name

Wow this is way different from vannila. Isn't it like the further the resource is from your coutry the more money you make?

I believe that it still applies, how far it is from your capital, but resources have base-values, some are really good, some are not.

[midterm360]

Ahh I understand, there is also ALOT of money to be made in the mountain ranges of the dwarves/goblins