Who else ISN'T buying this?

Sorry, CA, but with Empire, you guys dropped the ball. The game is buggy, the AI is pretty bad (the one patch you released that supposedly implemented sea-invasions has thus produced all of ONE seaborne invasion over two full ~80 year campaigns that I've been playing. On M/M and H/H).

I bought Empire. And now what? They take Empire's engine, tweak it a bit, make a few more animations, a story-driven campaign and ask for another 60 bucks out of my pocket? Give me a break.

It's bad enough I have to go through Steam to play Empire, and I'm guessing all further installments of this once-good franchise, but it seems like Napoleon is an expansion pack, and not its own game (and I thought it was an expansion up until very recently when I saw its pricing). CA is talented, and the TW series has been innovative and has its own niche, but I'm not paying that much just for a slightly tweaked Empire total war with Napoleon as the back-drop.

Like many people pointed out, if you just place your units in a big battle formation and do absolutely nothing, you can still win. Especially if you're a talented macro-manager and create a good economy and have well-equipped soldiers with research upgrades, you can be a moron on the battlefield and win.

Furthermore, the AI on the world map doesn't make sense a lot of the time either. You have nations that refuse to pay me as I destroy their towns one-by-one, and eventually just soak them up. REal nations don't behave like that. They don't say "to hell with you, kill us, we won't give you anything". They bargain and do whatever they can to stay afloat. Further, the AI's artillery seems to be laser-precise while my artillery doesn't have a hope of hitting a valley between two mountains, much less a regiment of 100 soldiers.

I'll wait around until their next engine update and then maybe choose to invest. They haven't earned it this time around.

This is going to be another one of those threads where we remind people: don't kid yourself into thinking that getting 10-12 people on this forum not to buy the game out of a conviction of justice that not everybody shares will change anything. It's not going to make things better to "boycott" NTW. From what I hear, it sounds like a decent improvement. Don't convince yourself it'll be crap before you read some reviews and give it a few weeks after release. Alot of us were disappointed with ETW, but CA said they might be up to releasing some more patches if they can spare the time.

I can't even take the whiners serious anymore.. I just laugh at their whiny comments..it seriously sounds like some people cry themself to sleep every night because empire failed ..

Originally Posted by brynje

I can't even take the whiners serious anymore.. I just laugh at their whiny comments..it seriously sounds like some people cry themself to sleep every night because empire failed ..

Excellent! Then leave us to it and go find a thread you take seriously.

I`ll not be purchasing until CA fix ETW.

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

Excellent! Then leave us to it and go find a thread you take seriously.

I`ll not be purchasing until CA fix ETW.

I knew you would answer this thread hahaha

And I am also dissapointed with empire, but I just don't see the point with 20 new threads every day about the same thing... You(and many others) often discuss the bad AI etc .. BUT in relevant threads.

Creating a new whiny thread like this doesn't give sense.

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

Excellent! Then leave us to it and go find a thread you take seriously.

I`ll not be purchasing until CA fix ETW.

What is the point of that, honestly. And as you obviously know they dont care about empire anymore.

Originally Posted by brynje

I can't even take the whiners serious anymore.. I just laugh at their whiny comments..it seriously sounds like some people cry themself to sleep every night because empire failed ..

Find a different thread to whine about the whiners then?

To answer the OPs question (unlike brynje) I won't be buying this either. I learned from ETW that CA doesn't care to support their products.

Originally Posted by Abspara

Find a different thread to whine about the whiners then?

That would only be possible if there was a thread the whiners stayed away from.

To answer the OPs question (unlike brynje) I won't be buying this either. I learned from ETW that CA doesn't care to support their products.

Find another forum to post in then? Not much point posting in an NTW forum if you don't even plan on buying it.

Originally Posted by daniu

Find another forum to post in then? Not much point posting in an NTW forum if you don't even plan on buying it.

Abso-fraggin-lutely agree with you! If I'm not interested in something/don't intend buying it then, call me a sentimental old fool, but I don't keep harping on about it over and over again

Give it a rest already.

Do you guys feel better now?

I for one will not be purchasing at the release of the game, I'll wait for feed back and for a few patches to be released for it as well and then get it when theres a sale on steam no way im paying 40 bucks for this

In my humble opinion, only a willing doormat or a fool would say for sure "I am buying NTW", before any reviews have come out, after what CA pulled with ETW.

I know most of you are butthurt but this game looks amazing i know they did rip us off last year and make us pay for stuff and all but this game looks ace.

Just saying.

do we need those threads? I mean there are already enough of them as it seems and people are already mentioning they are not going to buy NTW when and wherever they can. Theres no point in spamming these forums with this.

however if this is to continue i suggest pro-NTW people to start spamming "i'm buying this game" threads.

I love how quick people can say "whine" or "cry" more while blindly defending CA and Empire/Napoleon.

Depending on reviews, I MAY buy it, but even if the AI is improved, the game simply doesn't offer enough. All these AI improvements were promised with Empire, and were not delivered. If anyone thinks any meaningful patches are coming for Empire, they're kidding themselves. CA took a direction to just pump out titles after getting some success, and they don't deserve my business anymore.

New graphics and a new narrative based on Napoleon doesn't warrant paying full price for a game. Those of you who continue to blindly support CA are just pawns who will do nothing to advance the notion that bad games will mean bad business to developers.

And no, I don't cry myself to sleep. I guess your first instinct is to try and insult the person who is attacking your beloved developer and their lack of keeping with promises. That's fine, you can call me a cry-baby and whatever else you want, you just make yourself look like a 12 year old (and who knows, you probably are).

This isn't about "feeling better" but about seeing how many other people have been so turned off by Empire's release and subsequent failure to live up to CA's promises and announcements. Keep shovelling money into their pockets. Soon we'll get a Europe: Total War which takes place for 5 years after Napoleon's death, features 5 new units, and costs another full 60 dollars, along with "Massive AI improvements".

You chumps can keep feeding the donkey.

Originally Posted by zzmasta

Depending on reviews, I MAY buy it, .

You MAY buy it? You just started a thread called

Who else ISN'T buying this?

Originally Posted by Alf

do we need those threads? I mean there are already enough of them as it seems and people are already mentioning they are not going to buy NTW when and wherever they can. Theres no point in spamming these forums with this.

however if this is to continue i suggest pro-NTW people to start spamming "i'm buying this game" threads.

Why is it that people feel a need to defend and disrupt every post that they happen to disagree with? Not to mention the fact that you come in accusing others of whinning when that is exactly what you are doing.

Start your own thread and go in there and rag about whiners.

Wow...what an original thread...are you guys not buying...really?

Originally Posted by Turbo

Why is it that people feel a need to defend and disrupt every post that they happen to disagree with? Not to mention the fact that you come in accusing others of whinning when that is exactly what you are doing.

Start your own thread and go in there and rag about whiners.

Seriously....isn't there a thread on awesome uniforms or cool
screenshots to salivate in? Lord knows there's plenty to choose from.

If you want to love CA for the champagne they urinate, go right ahead. That's your right.

However, my right as a consumer is to voice my displeasure with CA as I feel ripped off. If it burns your virgin eyes to read what I post, please turn the channel or better yet, ignore me.

Not buying makes you cool. Let's all look at them with their coolness and rebelliousness.