Pope attacks UK equality bill, which does not affect religious organisations

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8492597.stm

What an idiot. Can't they introduce some sort of test to be Pope? I mean, Christ.

The Pope has urged Catholics in the UK to resist the incoming Equality Bill because it "violates natural law" - in this case proscribing descrimination on the basis of sexual orientation - and because it would force the Church to accept female and homosexual priests - even though religious organisations are not covered by the Bill.

If there's anything I hate it's the Catholic Church shoving its face where it's not wanted, in order to attack a minority of people its shamans have declared fair game. It's even more annoying when the leader of a billion (admittedly not the sharpest) people can't get his basic facts right.

off, Pope!

[wilpuri]

Ferrets, it is only good that in these times there are a few good men of authority that dare to speak up against the madness. Christ died for your eternal soul.

To think that the church would have to hire people living in sin or risk facing discrimination charges, makes me shudder it does.

[Billy Bob Joe]

To think that the church would have to hire people living in sin or risk facing discrimination charges, makes me shudder it does.

So if I made a religion and claimed that I would not allow anybody that isn't a purebred Aryan to be in any position of power, would that be okay? Or do you only get special discrimination powers when you've been a religion for a few thousand years and burned a few tens of thousand women, killed a few hundred thousand members of an opposing religion and contributed to the oppression of a few million people?

[wilpuri]

So if I made a religion and claimed that I would not allow anybody that isn't a purebred Aryan to be in any position of power, would that be okay? Or do you only get special discrimination powers when you've been a religion for a few thousand years and burned a few tens of thousand women, killed a few hundred thousand members of an opposing religion and contributed to the oppression of a few million people?

You can always try.

Tell me when a "good man of authority" speaks up then, because it hasn't yet happened. An evil man of authority has.
Oh, and the unfounded assertion that "Christ died for your eternal soul" (souls being another unfounded concept) is not a good reason to reject a law. If you look at your Bible, it tells you to give unto Caesar: so give unto him.

The Pope is certainly not evil!

Yes, but the exemption isn't specifically only clergy (although it bloody well should be).

So what's the beef then?

[Fiyenyaa]

The Pope is certainly not evil!

If he isn't evil, then he's one of the most monumentally ignorant people who ever lived - and I don't think that is the case.
The Pope gives his edicts of telling people that condoms will not help with AIDS and that using them will send you to hell - these are directly contributing to deaths and the propagation of a deadly disease. "Abstinence only" has been proven not to work - abstinence only works within the framework of additional other tools including contraception.
The Pope isn't an idiot - he knows these things. Yet he won't change the Churches policy on it. Evil.

[wilpuri]

If he isn't evil, then he's one of the most monumentally ignorant people who ever lived - and I don't think that is the case.
The Pope gives his edicts of telling people that condoms will not help with AIDS and that using them will send you to hell - these are directly contributing to deaths and the propagation of a deadly disease. "Abstinence only" has been proven not to work - abstinence only works within the framework of additional other tools including contraception.
The Pope isn't an idiot - he knows these things. Yet he won't change the Churches policy on it. Evil.

In fact the Pope is much wiser than all of us.

[cfmonkey45]

To be honest, I've never been too much of a fan of Benedict, nor of Roman Christianity's investiture of high authority in the Papacy. From a theological perspective, I find the Orthodox method of Synods and Primacy much more scripturally sound. Nevertheless, I digress; I wonder what Jesus would have said about this.

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you."

[removeduser_487563287433]

Um, did both of you miss the bit where this bill does not cover religious organisations?

[cfmonkey45]

Um, did both of you miss the bit where this bill does not cover religious organisations?

Actually, no. I'm just exercising my reserved right to disagree with an institution, specifically his statements in this, that, in and of itself, I also disagree with.

[wilpuri]

Um, did both of you miss the bit where this bill does not cover religious organisations?

The church employs not only clergy.

[removeduser_487563287433]

The church employs not only clergy.

Yes, but the exemption isn't specifically only clergy (although it bloody well should be).

[Strelok]

Oh dear Pope, what would we do without you?

[Fiyenyaa]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8492597.stm

What an idiot. Can't they introduce some sort of test to be Pope? I mean, Christ.

The Pope has urged Catholics in the UK to resist the incoming Equality Bill because it "violates natural law" - in this case proscribing descrimination on the basis of sexual orientation - and because it would force the Church to accept female and homosexual priests - even though religious organisations are not covered by the Bill.

If there's anything I hate it's the Catholic Church shoving its face where it's not wanted, in order to attack a minority of people its shamans have declared fair game. It's even more annoying when the leader of a billion (admittedly not the sharpest) people can't get his basic facts right.

off, Pope!

Hear hear!
This particular Pope seems to have a peculiar knack of putting his foot in his mouth more of often than not.

Ferrets, it is only good that in these times there are a few good men of authority that dare to speak up against the madness. Christ died for your eternal soul.

Tell me when a "good man of authority" speaks up then, because it hasn't yet happened. An evil man of authority has.
Oh, and the unfounded assertion that "Christ died for your eternal soul" (souls being another unfounded concept) is not a good reason to reject a law. If you look at your Bible, it tells you to give unto Caesar: so give unto him.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Hear hear!
This particular Pope seems to have a peculiar knack of putting his foot in his mouth more of often than not.

It's because the Poles have given the Catholics more clout in the UK that they are interfering more. I think this should be resisted with all our power - I don't want a situation like they have in Ireland where the Church has free reign to harm citizens.

I think I may protest the Pope's visit to Britain.

[War lord]

I think this should be resisted with all our power - I don't want a situation like they have in Ireland where the Church has free reign to harm citizens.

Attucly that's a misconception since the Child sex scandles the church only has the power to at best cause minor inconvenece.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Attucly that's a misconception since the Child sex scandles the church only has the power to at best cause minor inconvenece.

And what about the recent legislation about blasphemy?

[War lord]

And what about the recent legislation about blasphemy?

Hmm

Link please?

[Musthavename]

It's the typical animal farm case. All are equal, yet some are more equal than others.

[The Bloody Nine]

So if I made a religion and claimed that I would not allow anybody that isn't a purebred Aryan to be in any position of power, would that be okay?

Yes. Seems similar to KKK being able to say no black people. I could give a if the church says no gay people. I mean doesn't the separation of church and state work both ways?
Though in this case, because they are not affected by it they should not be trying to stop it.

[Fiyenyaa]

Yes. Seems similar to KKK being able to say no black people. I could give a if the church says no gay people. I mean doesn't the separation of church and state work both ways?
Though in this case, because they are not affected by it they should not be trying to stop it.

Unfortunately, we do not have seperation of church and state in the UK. We have an official state church, infact (although thankfully it's not the Catholic Church). There's still alot of privledges that religious organisations hold.