Spearme/phalanx bonus

**Parzival2211** · January 31, 2010, 04:04 AM

Hi all,

does anyone know what bonus a phalanx and a spearmen unit get and how much the spearmen malus is against other infantry? Do phalanx also suffer this malus against other infantry?

Thanks in advance.

**Drakedeath** · January 31, 2010, 05:01 PM

I've never noticed a phalanx doing poorly against infantry like other spearmen (triarii, Libyan spearmen, etc.). And the phalanx reverses the charge bonus of cavalry; learned the hard way by yours truly and his General's Bodyguard so long ago.

**Parzival2211** · January 31, 2010, 06:55 PM

Thank you. One question remains unanswered though.

Can anyone quantify the malus a spearmen unit gets against other infantry?

**~~Warhammster~~** · February 03, 2010, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Parzival2211

Thank you. One question remains unanswered though.

Can anyone quantify the malus a spearmen unit gets against other infantry?

Spearmen has a -4 attack against infantry

**|Sith| Max** · January 31, 2010, 07:56 PM

hm good question. i dont know the answer as only a nutjob would use them on the common rules and money in the MP, but if i make an educated guess i think that they dont get a malus vs inf, just a bonus vs cav

**Chris Death** · February 01, 2010, 08:45 AM

I don't know the answer aswell but i too think about it like Max already said.

I mean the units do have a lot of values for this and that and based on these values
the outcome of a battle between two units gets calculated.

Now there are a few units who get bonus/penalty against certain units but that's more
something additional. If two infantry units are facing eachother, there is in first case no
need for bonus/malus to indicate which unit is stronger.

Look the stats of both units you want to compare and it should be self-explaining, which
is the stronger one.

Basically you will find info about bonus/malus of a unit in the unit's description (right-click onto
the unit card) and if you can't find one then there is none.

~S~ CD

**Parzival2211** · February 01, 2010, 06:29 PM

Thanks guys. Meanwhile, I found the answer in the .org scriptorium. Spearmen receive a +8 def bonus against cav and a -4 def malus against inf.

The same may apply also to phalanx, as they also have the spear attribute, but I am not so sure about that.

**Chris Death** · February 02, 2010, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Parzival2211

Thanks guys. Meanwhile, I found the answer in the .org scriptorium. Spearmen receive a +8 def bonus against cav and a -4 def malus against inf.

The same may apply also to phalanx, as they also have the spear attribute, but I am not so sure about that.

Nice find - even if it screws up my theory but as i said i didn't know the answer aswell.

~S~ CD

**nvm** · February 02, 2010, 01:50 AM

An almost related question:why chariots cut through pikemen like butter, but get pwned by militia hoplites?

**Parzival2211** · February 02, 2010, 02:55 AM

Sorry, I can't answer that. Maybe someone else?

**Drakedeath** · February 02, 2010, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by nvm

An almost related question:why chariots cut through pikemen like butter, but get pwned by militia hoplites?

...I've never seen that. If they charge in at the side, yeah, they'll crush the pikemen, but if they charge the front, they die when they touch the first spear, no matter if it's a levy pike or a Royal/Silver Shield pike. And that's true for any kind of phalanx (pike, Poeni, or hoplite): Chariot + Front of a Phalanx = Dead Chariots.