Can EB use the historilly correct number for legions

**z32236** · January 30, 2010, 09:03 AM

I checked the book, in pre-marius legion:
there are 124 soldiers in one Hastati/Principes maniples, and 10 maniples of Hastati and 10 of Principes in 2 lines.
There are 60 soldiers in one triarii maniple, 10 maniples in the 3rd line.
In reality, the number of triarii are half of hastati/principes in one legion. But in EB, the number are equal.
I suggest to reduce the number of Triarii to 81, and double their attack and defence to represent their elit role in roman army.

**Mediolanicus** · January 30, 2010, 09:26 AM

I'm not sure what you are asking here.

Numbers in EB are only a representation, not an exact real life number.
The maximum number of soldiers in one unit is 240.

**Ludens** · January 30, 2010, 12:42 PM

I am afraid the engine does not allow for units bigger than 263 men. IIRC there was exploit allowing you to merge units beyond that number, but the A.I. won't get such large numbers (and this is very heavy on your CPU).

**ISA Gunner** · February 08, 2010, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Ludens

I am afraid the engine does not allow for units bigger than 263 men. IIRC there was exploit allowing you to merge units beyond that number, but the A.I. won't get such large numbers (and this is very heavy on your CPU).

263 sodliers in a unit? I thought the maximum was 240? That means we could get a full 256 in a phalanx. Now that would be cool!

**Knonfoda** · February 08, 2010, 06:23 AM

Still, what about not changing their stats but changing their in game number of soldiers to reflect what we actually know about them? Perhaps a better way of 'balancing', if this is even necessary, would be to reduce their recruitment cost slightly to reflect the fact you are not arming as many men than before.

In terms of guessing the number of 'barbarian' units, isn't that what is already done anyway?

**Revan The Great** · February 05, 2010, 03:17 AM

I think that what the original poster might be saying is that perhaps you could make a notation on each unit card of how many soldiers that unit represents? Ex. while a unit of Hastati in-game is only 160 men, if we extrapolate it to real life that one unit of 160 men would actually represent '320' or however many, so on the unit card the number '320' would be displayed.

**Anubis88** · February 05, 2010, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Revan The Great

I think that what the original poster might be saying is that perhaps you could make a notation on each unit card of how many soldiers that unit represents? Ex. while a unit of Hastati in-game is only 160 men, if we extrapolate it to real life that one unit of 160 men would actually represent '320' or however many, so on the unit card the number '320' would be displayed.

The problem with that idea is that we only know the numbers for the romans and the Hellenistic states. For the barbarians and the nomads this would be pure guessing

**Revan The Great** · February 05, 2010, 03:28 AM

Well, yes. I'm just saying what I think the original poster wanted to say.

Of course while you are correct that we don't have numbers for Barbarians I suppose that a rough guess wouldn't be too hard. The barbarian faction's soldiers are more often than not divided informally, without any sort of rigid structure like existed with the Romans or Hellenes, therefore it'd not too hard to arbitrarily just say 'This is 1,000 men', for example.

Personally I think the idea is at best a novelty and at worst a complete waste of time but, devil's advocate...

**torongill** · February 05, 2010, 11:59 AM

post irrelevant

**z32236** · February 07, 2010, 06:21 AM

I changed my question to a clear description. Please discussed by EBII group

**bobbin** · February 07, 2010, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by z32236

and double their attack and defence to represent their elit role in roman army.

Double? thats just excessive, the Triarii weren't supermen their stats are fine the way they are.

**z32236** · February 07, 2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by bobbin

Double? thats just excessive, the Triarii weren't supermen their stats are fine the way they are.

I mean if we reduce the number to 81, then the hitpoints or attack/defence value should be increased to a suitable level to maintain their battle-power.
I don't really mean "double" the value, i mean double the power level.

**Foot** · February 07, 2010, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by z32236

I mean if we reduce the number to 81, then the hitpoints or attack/defence value should be increased to a suitable level to maintain their battle-power.
I don't really mean "double" the value, i mean double the power level.

That is not how you balance a game. So no, we wouldn't do that. We operate a system of WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get), with occasional fudging.

Foot