Long-term affects of Suicide

[Matrim]

I've never had someone close to me commit suicide, but I've had acquaintances. I was surprised how quickly things seemed to move on after their death. So really, how long-term are the affects of suicide on others? While a person may have trouble accepting it more than if a person died by other means, in the end does it cause as much trouble? Does it turn into the same thing as if a person had just had an argument with a friend and never talked to them again?

[Henry X]

Well there's death...

I wouldn't know otherwise. Though death is death and it hurts just the same to me.

[Matrim]

Well there's death...

I wouldn't know otherwise. Though death is death and it hurts just the same to me.

I don't care if I'm dead. I don't care what I miss, if I'm dead it won't matter. I'm more curious about the affects it has on other. Supposedly on average around only six people are really affected by a suicide (something I heard)

[boofhead]

Supposedly on average around only six people are really affected by a suicide (something I heard)

I find that hard to believe. Unless the deceased was a hermit without a family who nobody knew about until someone found him dead. In which case you have the discoverer (and his family), the ambulance people (etc), the cops (etc), the coroners (etc), etc etc etc.

Suicides affect scores or hundreds of people.

[Angrychris]

that makes up about the number of imediate family/friends. why do you think they say its "taking the easy way out".

[hellheaven1987]

I think it depends; but remember that, everyone would die someday, and in history dying in 20 years old or 70 years old is same, same as dying by accident or dying by naturally.

[Angrychris]

in history dying in 20 years old or 70 years old is same, same as dying by accident or dying by naturally.

Yeah in history that is usualy false. If the young die then its tragic but if they die old they have accomplishments.

[hellheaven1987]

Yeah in history that is usualy false. If the young die then its tragic but if they die old they have accomplishments.

Ya, except I am sure you would not be the one who accomplish anything to leave a name on history...

Don't be sad, 99 men out of 100 have same experience...

[LoZz]

I think this would be better in this forum

[Helm]

Death is a fairly long term effect.

[Prodigal]

In nearly every situation, a person who takes their own life is one of the most selfish people people on the planet. They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through. There are so many people in history of the world that have suffered FAR worse than you and didn't take their lives, so quit being a wimp and take it. Things always work themselves out and your world won't be ed forever.

[Bovril]

The effect of suicide on surrounding people is far, far too broad a topic to adress in one thread.

In nearly every situation, a person who takes their own life is one of the most selfish people people on the planet. They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through. There are so many people in history of the world that have suffered FAR worse than you and didn't take their lives, so quit being a wimp and take it. Things always work themselves out and your world won't be ed forever.

Oh look, a person who knows nothing about mental illness venting their bigotted views in a thread about suicide. I've never seen that before.

Oh wait, I've seen it in every thread about suicide I've ever read on on the net. And it never gets any less idiotic.

[Søren]

In nearly every situation, a person who takes their own life is one of the most selfish people people on the planet. They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through. There are so many people in history of the world that have suffered FAR worse than you and didn't take their lives, so quit being a wimp and take it. Things always work themselves out and your world won't be ed forever.

I agree with you that suicide is a wrong choice to make, and invariably devestating for friends and family, but to say that makes them one of the most selfish people in the world is grossly untrue. Some people's daily lives are far harder than yours or mine, and it's simply not possible for them to "quit being a wimp, and take it".

Try and imagine what it would be like to be someone who wants to take their own life. Suicide is a terrible thing, but it's too narrow-minded to just see it in terms of cowardice.

[boofhead]

In nearly every situation, a person who takes their own life is one of the most selfish people people on the planet. They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through.

This is true, but it's not because they're inherently selfish. It's because prior to the act they have such a tunnel-vision that the needs or wants of others become as nothing, as do the (obvious to others) redeeming qualities and opportunities in their own lives. They can't see it. Their ''hope meter'' reads zilch or in the negative. Of course I'm talking about suicides out of depression or mental-illness.

There are so many people in history of the world that have suffered FAR worse than you and didn't take their lives, so quit being a wimp and take it. Things always work themselves out and your world won't be ed forever.

One thing I can't abide is when people label suicides ''cowards''. I don't think they are. There is a certain fearlessness involved in taking the leap and ending your own life. I'm sure it's hard to do and not a decision come by without a fight. It's warped minds who do it, sure. But like they say, walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

[Simon Cashmere]

In nearly every situation, a person who takes their own life is one of the most selfish people people on the planet. They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through. There are so many people in history of the world that have suffered FAR worse than you and didn't take their lives, so quit being a wimp and take it. Things always work themselves out and your world won't be ed forever.

I think that's a bit rough. Some people get to the point where they cant cope anymore or feel they cant. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has their breaking point. The fact that someone else may have suffered and did not take their lives or did not think about it is, like getting upset with someone who dies from a gunshot wound as opposed to someone who lives through it. Some people are mentally more able to cope with trauma, other people, are not. That can depend as much on genetics as on conditioning.

No matter how tough you are, everyone who is cut will bleed. The fact they do does not mean they are wimps. Psychological trauma happens to all sorts of people, even the toughest of soldiers when they face battle - and a significant number of those returning soldiers commit suicide too.

People with suicidal thoughts need understanding and compassion to help them get through the difficult times - not judgment about what selfish people they are.

[Strelok]

They think nothing of what their suicide will do to others, or the pain they are putting them through.

Thank you. I'm glad there is someone out there who knows what everyone is thinking in the world.

Maybe they do know these effects but they are too mentally conflicted for it to stop them.

And maybe genuinely, no one else actually cares about them.

When we talk about suicide. we don't only mean 16 year old rich stuck-up snots who got the wrong colour car for their birthday. There are also peoples whos mother died in child birth, their father murdered and no other siblings or friends for them in the middle of Africa.

[Bovril]

Maybe they do know these effects but they are too mentally conflicted for it to stop them.

Many mentally ill people considder suicide because the genuinely believe it will be to the benefit of others. Severely mentally ill people often do receive a good deal of support from others, and believe that are not worthy of recieving this support, or that it is given grudgingly. Therfore, when they commit suicide, it it is often as a genuine act of altruism. They really think they are doing the best for others. And since so many mentally ill people considder their own lives and selves valueless, they are in a better position to act purely on behalf of others than the rest of us.


Not the quoted post, but the tone of this thread has been very selfish. "These people who commit suicide don't realise how much it upsets them/me. What bastards!" This fundementally fails to attempt to understand the phenomenon in all its complexity, and especially in terms of the mental illnesses usually assosiated with suicide.

[Prodigal]

Obiously things are hard for them to consider it, and perhaps I was too blunt, but things get better and they should think about other people before taking their life.

Oh look, a person who knows nothing about mental illness venting their bigotted views in a thread about suicide. I've never seen that before.

Oh wait, I've seen it in every thread about suicide I've ever read on on the net. And it never gets any less idiotic.

Your argument is so convincing.

[Søren]

Obiously things are hard for them to consider it, and perhaps I was too blunt, but things get better and they should think about other people before taking their life.

Of course, they should consider it's effects on other people, but few people take completely selfless decisions. In fact, the majority of decisions we take are very selfish.

[Bovril]

Your argument is so convincing.

I wasn't making an argument. That should have been obvious. If you want to argue about the causes of suicide have the decency to familiarise youself with at least the general themes of the scholarship on the issue. This is not difficult. Go read the DSM IV or something. Why am I being so curt? Because people who lay layer after layer of scorn on those who contemplate or commit suicide without making any real effort to understand what's going on deserve no better. They are no more respectable than flat earthers. The science is there, and it is flat out superstition or obscuratanism to deny it.