Let me make a few things clear before the nationalists inevitably get on my case. I have nothing against the countries I’m about to talk about, as a matter of fact, I find their culture and histories fascinating. However, in the narrow scope of the Napoleonic Wars setting, these countries, based on historical facts, are ill fit to compete as one of the major powers. They are better off as minor powers unlockable perhaps as part of a mod, but not worth CA’s effort to balance as a playable faction. Decades of corruption and incompetence ate away at their governments and that corruption leaked over and sapped the quality of their militaries. If made playable, they would likely either be wildly historically inaccurate (see Warpath Expansion) or disappointing to their fans.
1)Spain- the government of this former Catholic fanatical superpower was in soap opera mode by the Napoleonic Wars, with a set of colonies that will be excluded from the game (no North America), a senile king, a slutty queen, and her boy toy minister who couldn’t decide whether to side with France or Britain, resulting in them being attacked by both. Aside from all that, Spain was also in a unique diplomatic position during the Peninsular War. Napoleon occupied their country by stealth and installed his brother onto the throne, resulting in a widespread guerrilla war. Neither of these concepts will work well for a faction under human control. As for the Spanish regular army, although they had their bright spots (see battle of Bailen), they were overall not in a proud state and consistently disappointed Wellington (a Spanish unit allowed the French to escape from the battle of Salamanca).
2)Turkey- they were a major power in the Egyptian campaign but in Europe, not so much. It appears from the trailers that they’ll be missing most of the Middle East, and will have to compete with the Europeans using only their Balkan territory. Their army, while exotic-looking, was low in quality. If the Turkish players were disappointed with the Ottoman Empire in ETW, there’s little reason for them to be any better during this period. We’re already missing Turkish units in the Limited Edition. Also, following the Egyptian campaign (which resulted in a French-Turkish treaty), the Turks didn’t engage in any more significant battles for the span of the Napoleonic Wars. Even in that campaign, much of the fighting was done by the Mamluks, who were substantially independent from the Ottomans (a point they’ll press after Napoleon left).
Will add if more come to mind...
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Re: Countries that people like but shouldn’t be playable
Your just asking for trouble you know.
But since you started the ball rolling I will add Sweden. Glorious past and a few great monarchs but their moment of greatness was well past by the 19th Century. The Dutch fall into this category but to an even greater extent.
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Tell me something I dunno. Again, both of the countries I named had proud moments before and after the Napoleonic Wars but not much during. I agree with you the Dutch aren't really playable because, like Spain, they were also occupied and ruled by another one of Napoleon's brothers, Louis Bonaparte. Sweden is doable being independent and some people might like the French marshal-turned prince Bernadotte but they were also a minor power.
Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
Your just asking for trouble you know. But since you started the ball rolling I will add Sweden. Glorious past and a few great monarchs but their moment of greatness was well past by the 19th Century. The Dutch fall into this category but to an even greater extent.
To complement my first post, I guess I could bring up some smaller countries that won't be playable but they'd be interesting because they put up a HECK of a fight during the Napoleonic Wars:
Portugal- this was one of the few countries that remained independent for the span of the Napoleonic Wars despite being threatened by a French land invasion (the other being Russia but can you really compare the two?). With the assistance of the British, they drove the French out in a bloody series of battles and contributed thousands of troops to Wellington's invasion of Spain. The cacadores ("hunters"), with their distinct brown uniforms, were considered by Wellington to be the "fighting cocks of his army".
Denmark-Norway- Napoleon's ballsiest independent ally, this tiny country was pushed into his camp after being threatened on land by their blood-enemies, the Swedish, and at sea by the British who violated their neutrality. Their capital of Copenhagen was destroyed after two major battles, the first against the Danish fleet which Nelson considered his toughest, worse than Trafalgar. After the loss of their fleet, the Danish engaged in a naval guerrilla war against the Royal Navy using gunboats. Yes you read that right, how many countries even attempt guerrilla warfare with navies? Anyway this tiny country fought against superior odds until they were driven into bankruptcy, and, in the aftermath, lost Norway to Sweden in the Treaty of Kiel. -
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XD eh eh! Portuguese troops rocks! XD Originally Posted by Stellerex
The first and last Global Empire » Portuguese Empire
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Spain must to be playable, until 1808 was a fully independent country, one of the main European countries, with the 3rd Naval fleet and the most important colonies...
Anyway Spain had it´s own rulers and army even under Joseph Bonaparte goverment... Because not all Spain was "conquered"... and spaniards didn´t left french to rule...
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Just to clarify, a 'cock' is a male chicken, or rooster. Originally Posted by Voltron
XD eh eh! Portuguese troops rocks! XD
I'm not sure what's so funny about it
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maybe because it's funny! dahh Originally Posted by Swerg
Just to clarify, a 'cock' is a male chicken, or rooster.
I'm not sure what's so funny about it
And he said that because of their courage in battlefield facing the enemy!
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Ottomans are playable only in Egypt, so no worry. Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
Your just asking for trouble you know.
Spain&Portugal were important.
What's the point of this, anyway, except rants and jokes?[Col] RO Citizen
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Ottoman Empire was more important! Originally Posted by RO Citizen
@ First poster: Ottomans defeated British fleet when it tried to take Istanbul! And don't call Ottoman Empire as Turkey! Ottoman Empire isn't Turkey! -
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and Spain and Portugal were against France in the Peninsula War Originally Posted by Sultan Mustafa I
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Not exacty! Portugal were ally with great Bretain, yes! But Spain was divided! A part of Spain army was in the side of france! Originally Posted by TheAussieDigger
and Spain and Portugal were against France in the Peninsula War
And I think it should be a great deal if they make a DLC with the peninsular war!
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Re: Countries that people like but shouldn’t be playable
Seeing the thread title~
You don't want them playable, so it has nothing to do with the game. The thread turns into a 'Countries you like' thread, which has no place in the NTW GD. Closed.
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Don't call Constantinople Istanbul then Originally Posted by Sultan Mustafa I
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What? I'll never call or recognize Istanbul in old name! It's Istanbul! Originally Posted by adessi
Don't call Constantinople Istanbul then
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I love you Turkophiles and your blind nationalism. Originally Posted by Sultan Mustafa I
Author of Foreign Legions mod 7.0,EB's NTW Total Music, Knights of St. John mod, The Wardrobe of 1805 mod
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Im not a Turk!
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Stato dei Presidi -- Cool name, but who's ever heard of it and it's way too small.
Mexico -- Beautiful beaches and great food, but it's kinda crammed in between two bigger land masses. Seems lame.
Andorra -- It's got some very useful goats, but I'm not sure if that justfies being a playable faction.
France -- Beautiful women, crunchy snails, and yummy horse steaks, but I think they got kicked around a lot by the end of the whole thing. Who wants to play as a loser? -
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Thats why the game starts at the start of the war
Formally known as 'Marshal Beale' - The Creator the Napoleon TW mods - 'Napoleon Order of War' and 'Revolution Order of War'
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Austria - Who cares about these guys? They're just a bunch of losers who got their asses kicked four twenty years straight.
France - Cheese eating surrender monkeys led by a pompous midget so arrogant he has a complex named after him.
Prussia - Some tiny backwards German state. Did they even do anything in the whole Napoleonic Wars? I DONT THINK SO.
Russia - Some godawful backwards country that's so cold the French just decided to leave. There's nothing actually THERE.
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Re: Countries that people like but shouldn’t be playable
problem is, CA could be thinking this as we speak Originally Posted by Swerg
Britain are the best in the world of course
