[DOE] Dawn Of Empires

[OilConsumer]

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Dawn Of Empires

DOE will be a full conversion mod for RTW-BI. It will adapt both realism and gameplay (id say 70% realism, 30% gameplay)

Dates
The DOE campaign will cover the early years of the Roman Republic (After the revolution to overthrow the King - 509BC and onwards). The exact dates have not been decided as there has been a lack of research.

Map

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ignore the regions.. I got the best copy of the RTW map I could find on google.

As you can see on the spoiler, the map covers most of the GC map minus briton, Germany and other northern areas.
This map was chosen as I believe it covers the most "juicy" areas and being a smaller map, the areas can be more in-depth.

Factions
All factions will have relatively small starting territories (minus Greeks, egyptians) as factions such as Rome at this time were small. The ? means this is not certain.

Roman Republic
Carthage
Egyptians
Gaul (maybe split into tribes?)
Macedonia
Greek Cities (maybe split into different ..Kingdoms?)
Selucid
Persia
Pontic?
Armenia? (may of not been a kingdom back then - as i said there has been a lack of research )
Parthia?
Baktria? (doubtful as the map barely/doesnt cover their kingdom)
Illyria?
Epirus
Numidia?
Iberia? (again, maybe split into tribes)
Kingdoms in Italian Peninsula? (these will only be done if faction spaces are available)

In DOE, the faction list MUST be historically accurate.

Units
The campaign will use AOR units and I would like this to be very detailed. All factions will have in-depth, historically correct units and their will be no biase in the number of units available to a faction (unlike RTW and the roman's)
Merchanies will also pay a important role, especially in regions around Carthage as they historically relied on Merceneries.
DOE will consist of good quality models for the units (Meeting the New RTR FOE standards)

Buildings
Im split in what to choose here, Either there can be buildings and reform buildings (each will have a mini logo on their logo making them different) Reform buildings will then enable new buildings to be built which will either have different units, better crop yield etc. In a sense they will act government buildings but will not change the settlements status such as town.
Or there can be just buildings (similar to vanilla RTW)

Feedback in this sector would be grateful.

Reforms

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Please ask questions, this will help get the ball moving.

-OilConsumer

[hannibalcaesar]

You do not need parthia, But Persia

[OilConsumer]

Oh yes, Persia.. how did I forget that :S
Parthia was only a thought though, same as Baktria its land/land for expansion is somewhat missing with the map ive thought out.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Sounds good. So if the time line id that we will se Alexander the Great in too.

[OilConsumer]

After looking up I found that Alexander reigned from 336BC-323BC.
So i suggest ill make a spawn of macedonian troops in the Asia Minor region during this timeframe?

Do any of you know about the limits of the campaign length in BI? (is there any?)

[hannibalcaesar]

You need the phoenicans and the Etruscans. And I do not believe there is a campaign length limit

[OilConsumer]

I will cover the Etruscans Kingdoms if faction slots are available, I dont want certain regions sprawling with factions when other regions not.

I will add Phoenicians as they would seem a interesting and important faction to cover.

Thanks hannibalcaeser

[OilConsumer]

I have began development of the mod.
The official factions selection is-
rome_republic
greek_states
macedonia
carthage
epirus
gaul_aedui
gaul_parisii
gaul_helvetii
persia
celtiberia
egypt
pheonicia
armenia
syracuse
etruscans

im still adding a few more
if anyone has any comments on this, please go ahead.

[Spartan262]

Interesting I'll keep a check on this.

[hannibalcaesar]

You should ditch Armenia for THE VERY IMPORTANT BABYLONIA

[The Guy With No Imagination]

yes, he is right.Babylonia was extremely important, since the persians still hadnt conquered them

[Parzival2211]

The timeframe you have chosen presents some problems. Persia was extremely dominant in the East, it also controlled Egypt, Armenia, Babylon, Phoenicia (Bactria, Pontus) and even Macedonia, which was a Persian vassal. That means 1/3 of the factions shouldn't really exist around 500BC. Epirus was insignificant.

On this website you find a map of Persia to support my point. The website is in German, but the map is in English.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perserkriege

If I was to make a mod that focusses on Rome's rise, I would choose a smaller map and rather include "local factions" such as Samnites, Latins, Etruscans of course, some Greek cities... etc. but I think that is already being done.

The big conflicts around 500BC would be the 2 Persian invasions of Greece, which calls for a map that is focussed on the Eastern Mediterranaen Sea...

It's a bit tricky.
I don't wanna be discourageing, just pointing out some issues that may help you to sharpen the focus.

[Zenith Darksea]

You will need to rethink your faction list considerably, as it is extremely unhistorical for 509 B.C. I would suggest the following:

1. Roman Republic
2. Carthage
3. Egypt (emergent - the Persians had already conquered it)
4. Sparta
5. Athens
6. Thracian Odrysae
7. Illyrian Autariatae
8. Persia
9. Scythians
10. Massagetae
11. Syracuse
12. Macedon
13. Numidians
14. Etruscans
15. Samnites
16. Transalpine Gauls
17. Cisalpine Gauls
18. Germans
19. Iberians
20. Armenia (emergent - it had already been conquered by Persia)