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    Default Question for fellow christians regarding mormon-christians and bible itself

    If the bible is a collection of works of Christians and Jews, why not allow the works of Joseph Smith into the bible? I mean, the books in the widely accepted bible consist of works of Hebrew prophets and early Christians added by the catholic clergy to the Torah. So what makes his works excludable from the bible?

    Personally, I know little about Mormonism; I once tried to ask a Mormon friend of mine about it, but he wasn't the type to engage in a sophisticated discussion (He finds such things too dull I suppose)

    Also, why even create compile the bible anyways? Why couldn't Christians (Orthodox and Catholic) just print works of prophets and the like as independent books anyways?
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    I don't know, but to me the best answer to this is...

    They created a new book because of the NT. It was too much and alot unrelated to the OT in some part's that they had to seperate.

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    Default Re: Question for fellow christians regarding mormon-christians and bible itself

    Because Mormonism doesn't fit in with mainstream Christianity at all.
    For example, Mormonism holds that Jesus went to America - mainstream Christianity does not. Even more importantly, Mormonism states that people can become gods of their own world, and that the god of the Bible is only the god of this world.

    You should read up on Mormonism - it's worth a few laughs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoisbest View Post
    If the bible is a collection of works of Christians and Jews, why not allow the works of Joseph Smith into the bible? I mean, the books in the widely accepted bible consist of works of Hebrew prophets and early Christians added by the catholic clergy to the Torah. So what makes his works excludable from the bible?

    Personally, I know little about Mormonism; I once tried to ask a Mormon friend of mine about it, but he wasn't the type to engage in a sophisticated discussion (He finds such things too dull I suppose)

    Also, why even create compile the bible anyways? Why couldn't Christians (Orthodox and Catholic) just print works of prophets and the like as independent books anyways?
    Nothing makes him excludable from the Bible. It's just as not all Jews accepted the con-man Jesus as a prophet, not all Christians accepted the con-man Joseph Smith as a prophet.

    Compiling the Bible allows for greater control for the Church fathers. Books have always been excluded from the Bible for political reasons.

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    Joseph Smith was an honest man, dun dun dun dun dun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iudas View Post
    Joseph Smith was an honest man, dun dun dun dun dun.
    His wife knows what to do, smart smart smart smart.

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    The wheel is spinning, but the hamster is dead.

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    If I Recall Correctly, from my discourses with a mormon friend of mine, in one of their books that they added to the cannon, they discuss how a righteous Jew led a vast number of Jews away from the kingdom of Israel before Shalmaneser of Assyria destroyed it. Although it also could have been just before the Babylonians conquered and destroyed Jerusalem (Kingdom of Judah). Either way, these Jews were led by Divine Revelation (I think to Moroni--where Mormon comes from) to leave before the destruction. They became the "lost tribes."

    These "lost tribes" of Israel trekked across the Sahara desert to Morocco, IIRC, to sail across to the New World. According to Mormon theology, these groups became Native Americans, however, because of their newfound sinfulness, God abandoned them and they all fell under the influence of Satan, succumbing to demon worshipping and such. The last righteous Jew (I forget his name) travelled from Central America (my friend told me that they believe it is a place with "water on two sides", so they think Panama, Mexico, Florida, or Cuba) up to Upstate New York, where he buried gold tablets in a yet unknown language (Egyptian Standard was what they told me).

    Later, around the time of Christ, when Jesus in one of the Gospels says that he has "other flocks", Mormons believe he was referring to the Native Americans. He went into the desert a la the temptation, then flew up into heaven and over to the Americas to minister to them. However, they rejected Jesus and reverted to Paganism.

    Then, the Europeans came to bring the Gospel, but up the Revelation of Joseph Smith, all other forms of Christianity were corrupted by Satan, and Mormonism is the One True Apostolic Church (ironically using the terminology of the Nicene Creed they reject).


    This is what Mormons believe, and this is also why Christians don't accept them. Also, there were other biblical canons. I, as a Protestant, own a Greek Orthodox Study Bible that I read out of. Sola Scriptura doesn't really register with me, and I actually go more towards Apostolic Succession, which is why I eliminate Mormon Theology as being Unorthodox or Heterodox (or heretical). The reason why a number of books, specifically the Deuterocanon, were rejected by Martin Luther and John Calvin is that they were unpopular with contemporary Jews and thus were unlikely to be legitimate (probably pseudoepigrahia or ahistorical). However, as a Protestant, I still find them valuable as theological treatises given in parables.

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    Default Re: Question for fellow christians regarding mormon-christians and bible itself

    First and foremost Mormonism is not Christianity. And secondly there are no lost tribes of Israel other than them Spiritually lost. Indeed according to the book of the Revelation all them that are accounted for, are seen as being represented in heaven with their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

    But like Islam, Mormonism comes into the world on the say-so of an angel, and both have a different gospel to the one laid down by Paul in his letter to the Galatian church. In fact a different gospel according to all that was written in the Law, Prophets and Psalms, regarding the coming of Christ Jesus to this world as Saviour.

    When Jesus spoke of coming to the lost house of Israel it is hardly possible that as a man he could travel in those days to lands that were of vast distances away to which the fantasy of some would put this people. He didn't have to as all the tribes were represented there in Palestine already.

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