Warcry?

[Post Hoc]

What is the reasoning behind taking away the barbarian warcry ability?

[Ludens]

I suppose because it was an unrealistic and gamey mechanism. Soldiers can be relied upon to do their own pre-battle peptalk without interference of the general. Furthermore, warcries weren't something uniquely barbarian: hoplites would sing a paean and I suppose other cultures would have similar morale-raising techniques.

Does anyone know the exact in-game effects of warcry?

[Dargaron]

I heard that it gave a temporary +10 or so bonus to attack, but don't quote me on that. It also is able to raise morale above a unit's normal limit. (Because units that are Eager before Warcry seem to become Impetuous afterwards.)

[florin80]

Does anyone know the exact in-game effects of warcry?

warcry: no longer hardcoded to barbarians in 1.5/1.6. Gives the unit an attack bonus of 10. The ability takes 10 secs (unit can't move or execute other action) to be activated and remains active for 30 more seconds. If the unit enters melee at some point during that time, the bonus will be applied only for the remaining of those 30 seconds. (eg if the unit warcrys, then runs for 7 secs and then engages in melee, the bonus will be applied for 23 secs only). Also gives a momentary boost to morale, evident in the case of berserkers.

From here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

[Post Hoc]

[QUOTE=Ludens;6668218]

Are you a member of the EB team?

[Ludens]

In summary the warcry ability enhances gameplay, historical accuracy to the extent possible and makes it more fun to play uncivilized factions. If the reason that it was left out was because of the bonus that it may derive, then is it possible to lessen the bonus vice sacrificing one of the better things that RTW had in it.

I don't think it's possible to mod the in-game effects of the warcry. I also think an attack bonus, never mind one of +10, is highly unrealistic. Singing doesn't transform you into a superhuman.

From here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344

Are you a member of the EB team?

I am not a team-member, but I have been following the mod for quite a while.

[Post Hoc]

[QUOTE=Ludens;6681919]I don't think it's possible to mod the in-game effects of the warcry. I also think an attack bonus, never mind one of +10, is highly unrealistic. Singing doesn't transform you into a superhuman.





No singing does not make a soldier into a superhuman but it does have an effect on their morale and will to fight. Im not trying to overstate my case as this is one thing that I think should possibley just get looked at again. Does anyone know if its possible to disable the bonus or lessen it to a certain extent? I have no experience modding myself. I am only a player of mods. EB is the best mod for RTW in my opinion, I've played nearly all of them and sometimes twice but EB is the one I always come back to because of the detail in the game.

[Post Hoc]

Tacitus relates that the Germans would sing of Hercules before battle as the foremost of all their heroes before they engaged. They also had a well know chant they called baritus.

By the use of these chants they not only summoned their own courage but by merely listening to the sound they made they could forecast the issue of an impending engagement. The chants would either terrify their foes or they themselves could become frightened according the character of the sound that they made. They regarded their sound as a unison of valor, not just many voices chanting together. This was very important.

From research we know that warcrys are not specific to "barbarian" cultures, and that the Romans employed them as well. If time allowed before a battle, the general would ride up and exhort his lines and individuals before giving the command to advance. Then the trumpeters (cornicines and bucinatores) would sound the advance. Casear recorded that a warcry was shouted just before they were to throw their pila (Caesar, Gallic War, 7.88; Civil War, 3.93). Warcrys didn't always work, Appian noted that opposing veteran legions at Forum Gallorum raised no warcry because it would not terrify their experienced opponents (Appian, Civil War, 3.68).

In summary the warcry ability enhances gameplay, historical accuracy to the extent possible and makes it more fun to play uncivilized factions. If the reason that it was left out was because of the bonus that it may derive, then is it possible to lessen the bonus vice sacrificing one of the better things that RTW had in it.

[johnhughthom]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere about a Roman army that marched toward the enemy in silence to freak them out, it may have been the Caesar/Pompeii Civil War. I'll dig out a few books and see if I can find it.

[Post Hoc]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere about a Roman army that marched toward the enemy in silence to freak them out, it may have been the Caesar/Pompeii Civil War. I'll dig out a few books and see if I can find it.

if civil war then i would say it happend at Forum Gallorum. They did not raise a war cry because they knew their enemy was experianced and would have no effect

[johnhughthom]

if civil war then i would say it happend at Forum Gallorum. They did not raise a war cry because they knew their enemy was experianced and would have no effect

No it was a specific example where the silence was a tactic, and it scared the enemy because it was so unusual rather than a warcry being pointless. I think ir was in a Goldsworthy book, though I'm sure I read of examples of silence as a tactic more than once.

[COMIS -3- ΠΑΝΙΩΝΑΡΑ]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere about a Roman army that marched toward the enemy in silence to freak them out, it may have been the Caesar/Pompeii Civil War. I'll dig out a few books and see if I can find it.

I believe that you mean the maneuver ordered by Ceasar during the battle of Pharsalus when he silently and secretly moved lines of his soldier in the flanks to support his cavalry and to supress his enemy's one