Most Serene Republic (Or a Venice Mod Proposal)

[RexImperator]

Of the many factions which are not playable one those which I wish was playable with a unique unit roster is Venice. After doing a little bit of research I've come up with a unit roster for Venice.

-Cernida
Better than standard militia unit. Similar to Minutemen.



-Balkan Irregulars
Skirmish unit, recruitable in Balkan regions.



-Landing Party
skirmish unit, poor movement speed.

-Friulan Partisans
irregular units from Friuli (Venetia region)
Similar to Guerillas

-Alpine Hunters
Rifle unit, recruitable in Veneto, Lombardy and Piedmonte



-Schiavoni Riflemen
Rifle unit, recruitable in Balkan regions



-German(Luneberger?) Mercenaries
Expat line infantry unit

-Fanti Di Mar
Superior line Infantry unit, Better melee stats as they're marines



-Oltremarini Infantry
Similar to, Legion of the US, can switch between line and skirmish. Recruitable in Bosnia, Croatia, Morea



-Veronese Noble Guard
Unique rgeiment, recruitable in Venice region



-Arsenalotti
Guard Infantry, Recruitable in Venice, limit 2



-Alabardieri
Lesser guard Infantry, limit 6



-Oltremarini cavalry
Elite light Cavlry unit, recruitable in Croatia, Bosnia and Morea

-Lance Spezzate
Guard Cavalry


-Arsenalotti Artillery
Elite artillery unit, limited numbers

-Gallease
Bigger than galleys, can tangle with smaller sailing ships, fires broadsides, more maneouevrable than SOL, can trade, poor movement outside of Mediterenean; Black sea, Baltic.




This topic was done for my amusement as I have no modding skills. Anyone is welcome to throw in their to cents and anyone who actually wants to work on it is more than welcome to do so. I just thought an Italian faction would be a good addition to the game.

[EmperorBatman999]

I like it.
May I join as the unit creator?

[RexImperator]

By all means!

[Serenissima]

Well, I know my Venetian history, if it helps... not that Venice was much of a military power in the 18th century!

[RexImperator]

True, but they did fight in the Morean war and the Cretan War wasn't so long ago in game terms. Plus the Von Schulenberg reforms were quite interesting as well.

Any insight you or anyone else can provide would be of great help!
I'll do my best to find some uniforms.

[♔Sir Digby Chicken Caesar♔]

Yr welcome to use my line infantry if you like them mate also look : Here

[RexImperator]

Sir Digby, you are officially awesome.

I'm going through your pictures now and I've either found everything I've been looking for or found something that can be used as a placeholder.

Good Sir, you are a scholar and a gentleman.

[RexImperator]

I put up some pictures for the venetian unique units. I think for the most part they're pretty straight forward but I'll list why I chose a particular image in some cases.

also, here's Grenadiers and General

[RexImperator]

My choice for Cernida is an older late 1600s LI. The hat in particular is what I'm looking at, give the a sort of thrown together kind of look, no uniforms, like they left the house with the musket, a jacket and a hat.

The Balkan Irregulars choice I think is pretty straight forward, balakan outfit, guns, that's all there is really.

I left the Landing Party blank, I suppose one could just use the pirates models, but I could also see them looking like Gondoliers, complete with striped shirt and straw hat.

Alpine Hunters have a uniform from the 19th century but I think it could also aply to the time period, very similar to green jackets model.

Schiavoni Riflemen in blue to differentiate them from Oltremarini infantry.

German Mercenaries I left blank, modellers can do what they want with that one.

Fanti Da Mar, technically they're the ones in red but the look very similar to the Oltremarini, so the blue Infantry could be used instead.

Oltremarini Infantry, nothing to say about them.

Veronese Noble Guard, the guys in blue and yellow uniforms

Couldn't find anything for the Arsenalotti but I like the look of this image, sort of Grenadier like with lots of shiney bits and venetian colours.

For the Alabardieri I picked a Venetian LI uniform, with a bit of gold braid and a red sash they could look the part.

Oltremarini cavalry, left blank, basically the Oltremarini uniform on a horse.

Lance Spezzate, couldn't find anything so I went with a Napoleonic era guard cavalry unit. I suppose they could be lancer guards, might be interesting.

Arsenalotti artillery, I imagine they would be 24 pounders with a faster firing rate, with Arsenalotti models instead of the usual gunners.

Finally the Galleas. By the 1700s they could mount up to 50 light guns and had upwards of 500 crew, though alot of them were rowers. The basic design didn't change much from the picture I put up, but I'd give them fewer than fifty guns (unless there is a light cannon in game, I admit I don't like naval warfare and autoresolve it mostly).


Any thoughts?

[EmperorBatman999]

Seeing as it's very hard to do new ship models, we need to scratch that out. I'd also leave a "pure" 18th century roster and leave out 17th-19th century uniforms. Grenadiers can use Spanish grenadiers model.

[RexImperator]

I figured that would be the case for the ship but I put it up there just in case.

So that means we have 2 problem units. The Cernida don't make a difference as they're militia and we can pretty much do what we want with them, I only chose that picture because of the hat. Something like Corso terrestre or Pikemen could work.

The Lance Spezzate aren't a big deal, we can use one of the Household cavalry models.

For the Alpine Hunters, there's a couple of units in game that could work. The Mountain Troops, Rangers, Guerillas, Jaegers could work, or some of the Elite units of America models.

I've never done this before so feel free to suggest anything you like.

[TheGeat]

Is this mod active? A rework of venice is very much desirable

[RexImperator]

It needs a team.

I've been mucking around with DBeditor and PFM but I'm unschooled in the art so I've had little success.

[Lazy Knight]

Dear RexImperator,

A mod giving venice unique units already exists. It is called Imperial Splendour and can be found in the Hosted Mods section.

The roster is not identical to what you proposed obviously, but there are some similarities.

For example the Maniots are Balkan Mercenaries, there are Swiss, German and Austrian foreign regiments, Barbets (mountain troops), as well as special Marines and a unique Venetian Guard unit.

What we have not done is reskinned the units, they all use vanilla skins still.

[EmperorBatman999]

Dear RexImperator,

A mod giving venice unique units already exists. It is called Imperial Splendour and can be found in the Hosted Mods section.

The roster is not identical to what you proposed obviously, but there are some similarities.

For example the Maniots are Balkan Mercenaries, there are Swiss, German and Austrian foreign regiments, Barbets (mountain troops), as well as special Marines and a unique Venetian Guard unit.

What we have not done is reskinned the units, they all use vanilla skins still.

I don't want the AI or any other junk that falls in with IS.

[RexImperator]

Me neither, nor do I want any meddling with the vanilla factions.

I'd rather see something like Sons of the Danneborg, which only changes one faction than something bigger like IS.

[EmperorBatman999]

I have came up with a few proposals for models that can be used for the units:

Cernida: Perhaps, if possible, a "multi model" unit (one that uses two model variations) that uses the pikeman hat or tricorne on a guerilla's "body"

Balkan Irregulars can use that irregular Ottoman swordsman

Alpine Hunters - ???

Schiavoni Rifleman: ???

Marines - Windbusche Jaeger

Olterimani Infantry - Windbusche Jaeger/an Ottoman unit

Grenadiers - Spanish grenadiers

Veronese Guard - Nothing really fits, maybe Holland Guard or Spanish Guardias de Corps? Some artistic license needed

Arsenolatti - Drummer

Alaberidi - Windbusche Jaeger

Lance Spezzatte: Dragoon


Note that these would be reskinned and "touched up" to make it look more like the sources. The Venetian uniform style is very unique so it'll be very difficult to make these. Another thing is time, only 20 more days until NTW. If you wish, however, we can move the mod to NTW if possble.

[RexImperator]

For Alpine Hunters either jaegers or Norwegian Mountain Troops would work fine.

For the Schiavoni riflemen I think rangers could work, done in blue they look failry different. Ideally I'd change the headgear as well but I don't know what would fit.


As for switching this to NTW, thing is we don't know how that will turn out or how easy it will be to mod so I'm kind of hesitant to say "let's switch to NTW"

[RexImperator]

Just saw the ounted Nizan-I unit, that might work for the Oltremarini

[EmperorBatman999]

Just saw the ounted Nizan-I unit, that might work for the Oltremarini

DLC, we can't use it.