Still no blood and gore in NTW, eh?

It would appear that CA is taking the PG arcade approach to their games now. I know that there is a mod for Empire that allows blood to appear when men are shot but their are no blood stains. Long ago (before Empire's release) CA mentioned that the battlefield would be incredible visceral and realistic with mangled men crawling along the battlefield and body parts all over the place. What is particularly ridiculous about Empire and Napoleon is that Shogun, Medieval 1&2 had blood and still retained a Teen rating here in the US.
But CA has gone down hill in more ways than just this. I mean when the hell are they are going to have truly realistically sized battles, aye I digress. Anyways hopefully CA can still in some way improve NTW with adding these important effects. Oh and God willing CA will actually release the FULL MODDING TOOLS this time. Sorry for the rant but y'all know it all to be true.

No.

We also feel that design-wise, certainly out-of-the-box, the blood stuff isn’t necessary to have that really true war experience. Certainly we know the majority of our players are having a great time without it, and thanks to the mod community if you want it, it’s available.

Keiran doesn't believe people bleed in true war.

Those casual gamers might not by the game if you actualy draw blood.

I think blood and gore should be included, because playing the darthmod commander edition with blood an all, it makes it more realistic, and i think blood and gore is a true fact of war and its not something that cant really be overlooked and ignored, casual gamers will be the end of us

I think it's completely reasonable that CA have decided not to include blood so more people will buy their product. It's how the world works.

I believe that they bleed, because if you get shot to the neck or head, then you bleed and hardly.
He need to only try and then he know, they bleed or not.

CA have let me down

Having 10,000 men with dismembered limbs and more blood than the prom scene in Carrie would be a ratings nightmare.

Originally Posted by SenseiTW

Having 10,000 men with dismembered limbs and more blood than the prom scene in Carrie would be a ratings nightmare.

Thanks for being on the forums SenseiTW,

With the Kingdoms reinforcement system missing it's rare you see 10,000 these days, but ok fair enough.
Are you saying that age rating is based on the numbers of dismemberment, so Company of Heroes would recieve a higher rating if it had more troops in it being blown up? Do the examiners really count the body parts to see what rating a game recieves?????

But isn't there a compromise where we can have some effects? Keiren gave us an answer saying that it would involve complicated physics and would be a system hog, but there were blood effects in MTWII, not just uniforms going more red,(didn't like it myself) but certainly in the demo there were prominent puffs of blood, which was reduced for the main release(shame) for poor PC's at a guess. Couldn't it be adustable?

Why not just have a puff effect for blood like in the MTWII Demo just for Artillary and Cavalry swords, more realistic, not to system hoggy, and it would look like you'd really thought about it perphaps?

Well CA you could at least add some overlay textures (like in M2TW), like these ones: you could add textures for desert battles (dirty uniforms), battles in the snow -Russia-, battles in the rain (mud), and also add parchments of blood like was done in M2TW. You don´t need extremely realistic effects of blood, or cutted limbs and heads. We just ask for some blood represented in the uniform in the unit so that when the soldier dies you can see clearly who is hurt and who is alive. I think this is not asking too much.

In fact the russians and egypt campaigns of napoleon are a perfect excuse to add the overlay textures when you fight in desert/snow, along with others like blood.

Originally Posted by SenseiTW

Having 10,000 men with dismembered limbs and more blood than the prom scene in Carrie would be a ratings nightmare.

Wow, A CA person posting here. Hard enough to get one to post for a SP issue, they never post for a MP issue!

Thanks for being around anyhow.



10,000 men in a battle lol? No offense, but I never been in a battle on ANY TW game with 10,000 men. 5,000 or 6,000 yes, but not 10,000 men. And two, what do you think happens in war Sensei, when you get shot in the head or in the heart region?

Originally Posted by SenseiTW

Having 10,000 men with dismembered limbs and more blood than the prom scene in Carrie would be a ratings nightmare.

Just blood works. You did it with Medieval II ffs. It's just blood! Give us the option to disable it if need be!

Originally Posted by SenseiTW

Having 10,000 men with dismembered limbs and more blood than the prom scene in Carrie would be a ratings nightmare.

Give me Fallout 3 levels of dismemberment and then Ill buy this for sure...

Oh and as for the age arguement, 6 when I played my first TW game...

10.000 maximum, in some battles

The M2TW blood was fine, even the ETw mod one is. Not a bloodbath, but just a dash of realism

According to CA blood does not add anything to the feeling of a war game.

Originally Posted by Blofeld2k

According to CA blood does not add anything to the feeling of a war game.

Honestly, blood doesn't add anything to the game experience for me. In fact, it's usually the opposite.

Why is everyone so obsessed with blood...?

Go work at an abbatoir or something if you find it so exciting.

@Magic Man: Yea, and why have any realism at all, heck if you need realism why not stop playing video games all together?

Realism's great, sure. The more realistic, the better, imo.

But can't you see that out of all the things that could be improved, blood and gore is a minor and fairly uninteresting detail?

Not to mention the fact that all of you baying for blood and gore just end up looking like sadistic weirdoes.

Originally Posted by Magic Man

Realism's great, sure. The more realistic, the better, imo.

And blood is not realistic?

Originally Posted by Magic Man

But can't you see that out of all the things that could be improved, blood and gore is a minor and fairly uninteresting detail?

Uninteresting? It is a war game for crying out loud. What's next? No smoke? No Sound? Also, if it is such a minor detail, then why leave it out?

Originally Posted by Magic Man

Not to mention the fact that all of you baying for blood and gore just end up looking like sadistic weirdoes.

According to your logic the game itself is sadistic.

Originally Posted by Blofeld2k

And blood is not realistic?

Realistic, yes. Neccesary? No. Did AoE have blood and gore? Does EUIII have blood and gore? Did RTW have blood and gore?

Did it make them any less fun? No, i don't think so.

Originally Posted by Blofeld2k

Also, if it is such a minor detail, then why leave it out?

Bigger fish to fry?

Originally Posted by Blofeld2k

Uninteresting? It is a war game for crying out loud. What's next? No smoke? No Sound?
According to your logic the game itself is sadistic.

You can play war games without enjoying the sight of screaming dismembered men spraying blood into the air. Some people enjoy strategy, rather than massacres and carnage.

You know what? I want to see women being raped in the streets when a town is taken, i want to see babies being swung by their ankles into walls, i want to see people dismembered and dragged through market squares.

Hell, thats realistic. Lets throw it in, eh?