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    Default ABC News Uncovers Secret Jesus Code on Rifle Sites

    ABC News has discovered that Trijcon's site contains small references to passages in the New Testament.

    My own view is that it's not really a big deal, but I'd tell the company that for all new batches, no New Testament. They can sell bible sites to the general public that even have an inflatable Jesus giftwrapped, but its not appropriate for the military.

    The salivating manner that ABC News though is wringing its hands at the latest way to make its own country's military look bad is kind of disappointing.

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    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to...
    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to the New Testament book of John, Chapter 8, Verse 12, which reads: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." The ACOG is widely used by the U.S. military.
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    The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.
    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

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    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

    Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    'It violates the Constitution'



    The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

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    Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.
    The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

    A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    'Firearms of Jesus Christ'



    "It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said.
    Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

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    He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade."

    According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

    "This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."



    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-mil...9575794&page=3

    Note for those of you who don't know who Trijcon are, they make the most excellent ACOG sites, which have been used a lot in Iraq and Afghanistan by US forces, and their allies.
    Last edited by Simon Cashmere; January 18, 2010 at 06:02 PM.

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    "This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

    I'm assuming that the people involved here is looking for something to about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    I'm assuming that the people involved here is looking for something to about.
    Welcome to the world of investigative journalism.




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    Default Re: ABC News Uncovers Secret Jesus Code on Rifle Sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post

    [/I]I'm assuming that the people involved here is looking for something to about.
    seems precisely what this news piece is about. its entirely unnecessary and only damages reputations further.

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    The company is entitled to do as it likes I guess. But doesn't the US Army have strict regulations regarding proselytising? If so, I'm sure they'' either ask the company not to supply them with weapons marked this way, or they'll simply withdrawal them from circulation amongst Iraqi troops. Or you could just file off the offending references.
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    an incredibly stupid move by the company and by the military who requisitioned the guns;
    this simply allows the enemy-al kyder- to say 'look, these invaders want to convert us etc etc', doing nothing to win hearts or minds when you disrespect the religion of the natives by attempting to convert them all.

    good call on ABC News, this is what i as an australian taxpayer am funding-real scoops and news and now it appears, proof that the logistics commander in charge has become a born again christian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    good call on ABC News, this is what i as an australian taxpayer am funding-real scoops and news
    Wrong ABC Exarch. Look at the article, its from ABC America. But I love your passion for our ABC none the less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    Wrong ABC Exarch. Look at the article, its from ABC America. But I love your passion for our ABC none the less.
    lol, my bad
    too geed up on caffeine this morning lol

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    Wow. Did anyone ever notice it before this 'investigation'?


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    Does this change anything or is it just a reason to complain?

    Do Jesus guns work better? Will atheist soldiers not fire Jesus guns?

    All ABC did here was give a little extra fodder to enemy propaganda, that's it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Do Jesus guns work better? Will atheist soldiers not fire Jesus guns?
    These particular sights are the best on the market, as I understand it.

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    Wow, talk about political correctness gone way overboard. Or maybe the media is just bored with healthcare on the Mass senate race. Seriously, the fact that you would remove a SERIAL NUMBER (or whatever it is exactly) that is a shortened version of a Bible verse is absurd. And its a scope, so the 'light' references seem fitting.


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    Phier is right, no one noticed this before ABC flagged it up. They claim these enscriptions give the enemy propaganda? They do now! Well done ABC, well done.

    The inscriptions themselves are just stereotypical US christians being stereotypical US christians. I think the majority of other US christians are the ones doing most of the facepalming right now...

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    "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."
    It is an illuminated reticle used in low light conditions. Hence the particular verse...

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    You can actually also find biblical writings underneath your cups on your Carls Jnr meal. As for preaching its a bit hard to see how a tiny serial number biblical reference would lead to the conversion of even one muslim anywhere.

    I have also uncovered another secret prosleytising effort of the US government, to turn people away from Allah and to the Christian God. Through the US Dollar. Yes I was surprised as you were, but the US government has sought to introduce US dollars to the Middle East and eslewhere has part of its plan. I have the proof right here, clear violation of Church and State.

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    In protest, all those from the ACLU and others should boycott this US dollar, and in fact send as many examples that they have...to me. For destruction, of course.
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    Doesn't the CIA have "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free" (John 8:32) inscribed somewhere?

    Also, I'm pretty sure there are references to other religions, such as the Graeco-Roman mythologies, among others. Why is there no outcry against that?

    Lastly, as a Christian, I sort of have a beef with this, since its quite ironic to put an-out-of-context biblical verse on a piece of instrument designed to kill.

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    ACOG= Almighty Catechism of God.

    Simply training with them will surely convert them to our cause. Seriously, what the hell?!? Things are getting too Warhammer 40k over there.
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    Am I the only one who finds that a "devout Christian" making gunsights is absolutely hysterical?



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    A bit inappropriate, they could've used a more bad-ass passage from the Bible.

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